He who labors as he prays lifts his heart to God with his hands. —St. Benedict of Nursia
Started by Kephapaulos, October 03, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
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QuoteWould it not be fine to tax or punish non-Catholics not so much to force them to convert but as really an act of mercy for them to feel in the temporal order the objectively dangerous state of their souls in order to encourage them to willingly come to the light of the truth?
QuoteThe 1917 Code of Canon Law stated in canon 2214 §1: "The Church has the native and proper right, independent of any human authority, to coerce those offenders subject to her with both spiritual and temporal penalties." This teaching is maintained in the more recent code. Cf. 1983 Code, canon 1311: "The Church has the innate and proper right to coerce (coercere) offending members of the Christian faithful (christifidelesi) with punitive sanctions (poenaibus sanctionibus)"; also canon 1312§2: "The law can establish [...] expiatory penalties which deprive a member of the Christian faithful of some spiritual or temporal good and which are consistent with the supernatural purpose of the Church." For clerics these sanctions may include a form of imprisonment, such as an order to reside in a monastery; cf. canons 1364 and 1336.
QuoteIntegralism holds that there are two powers that rule him, a temporal power and a spiritual power, and since man's temporal end is subordinated to his eternal end, the temporal power must be subordinated to the spiritual power.
Quote from: Pius XIAll men, whether collectively or individually, are under the dominion of Christ. In him is the salvation of the individual, in him is the salvation of society [...] If, therefore, the rulers of nations wish to preserve their authority, to promote and increase the prosperity of their countries, they will not neglect the public duty of reverence and obedience to the rule of Christ.
Quote from: Crean & Fimisterinstitution by the spiritual power does not mean that popes and bishops must choose temporal rulers, nor that these rulers must take instruction from the spiritual power in purely temporal matters, that is, ones which do not in themselves require revelation or grace to accomplish, for example, the best manner to build a road or train an army. It means that the temporal power, to exist in a well-ordered manner and to be legitimate simpliciter must be put at the service of the spiritual power, so that it may play its part in bringing men to heaven.
QuoteThe whole theory [of integralism] in my opinion is that the the point of human society is to make people good, and the right answers about what will make people good are the answers that the Catholic faith gives; ergo, we we can set up society on the presumption that the Catholic faith is true. [...] I think the people who you're governing should have a say in what what they want their society to be.
QuoteNot everybody agrees it's part of the natural law [...] that the homosexuality right is immoral. That's a part of Catholic teaching; homosexual actions are immoral on Catholic teaching, and we claim it's part of the natural law; we claim it's objective, it's naturally knowable morality. I don't think that licenses you just to pass a law tomorrow to have the president pass an executive order outlawing gay marriage.
QuoteThomas Crean said on Twitter and has said before, he thinks something like this: "[Some] Individuals could not know the natural law without the Church [or State?] telling them."
Quote from: Pius XIThe right which the Church has from Christ himself, to teach mankind, to make laws, to govern peoples in all that pertains to their eternal salvation, that right was denied. Then gradually the religion of Christ came to be likened to false religions and to be placed ignominiously on the same level with them.
Quote from: Crean, O.P.I think there is a big problem with suppressed guilt in modern society, and I suspect that abortion has a lot to do with that, because the law of God is written on our hearts. People do know that abortion is a crime, and I think the guilt that people live with as a result of that [...] leads to two things: (1) it leads them to be hostile to the law of God, to try to block out the law of God, and that's why in all kinds of ways natural law gets more and more trodden down by civil law and marriage gets repudiated and pornography gets put into the mainstream and so on, a destructive downward spiral; (2) [...] repressed guilt then gets projected onto other people, and people [who] try to defend natural law, defend the law of God, are more and more attacked as haters, as bigots, as extremists, and this is a situation that there is no natural remedy for. The only remedy is the preaching of the Gospel and people believing in the mercy of God. When people believe in the mercy of God, then we can begin to put an end to this this terrible situation.
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