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Thomism => Philosophy => Topic started by: Kephapaulos on April 03, 2017, 10:16:59 AM

Title: Personalism and Phenomenology
Post by: Kephapaulos on April 03, 2017, 10:16:59 AM
I noticed there was a course listed called "Thomistic Personalism" on the Dominican House of Studies of Washington DC's website. It was a big turnoff for me. I don't think there can really exist such a thing. If I'm not mistaken, John Paul II tried to fuse personalism and phenomenology with Thomism. It's impossible though.
I believe St. Thomas says somewhere in the Summa about seeking truth or the good wherever you find it, but that does not mean any philosophical system that developed outside the Catholic Church, which already has the Truth, is alright or necessary to adopt as a whole or even in part. The Catholic Church already has God Who is goodness itself.
Some things in the practical order, concerning particularly missionaries, can be neutral and sound to employ depending on the situation, but things on the doctrinal and philosphical orders are another thing.
Title: Re: Personalism and Phenomenology
Post by: Geremia on April 03, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
See the section I edited, "Pope John Paul II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_the_Body#By_Pope_John_Paul_II)," of the "Theology of the Body" Wikipedia article. Ite ad Thomam also has a "Dispute on Wojtyla's Personalism (https://iteadthomam.blogspot.com/2007/06/disputation-on-phenomenology.html)."
Title: Re: Personalism and Phenomenology
Post by: Geremia on November 06, 2017, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: Kephapaulos on April 03, 2017, 10:16:59 AM"Thomistic Personalism"
Aquinas and the Theology of the Body (https://isidore.co/calibre/browse/book/6556) by Petri, O.P. does a good job reviewing what personalism is. It seems to be John Paul II's misguided attempt to make Thomism more appealing to "modern man".
Title: "Theology of the Body" contra St. Thomas
Post by: Geremia on July 09, 2019, 03:02:16 PM
"Theology of the Body (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=6557)," originally called "Catechesis on Human Love," is based on the philosophies of phenomenology (https://iteadthomam.blogspot.com/2007/06/disputation-on-phenomenology.html) and personalism (https://isidore.co/forum/index.php?topic=91.msg251#msg251) (basically humanism), contradicting Thomistic teaching on several points:
John Paul II himself even noted ToB (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=6557)'s limitations (Memory & Identity p. 12 (https://books.google.com/books?id=SlXXAAAAMAAJ&q=)):
QuoteIf we wish to speak rationally about good and evil, we have to return to St. Thomas Aquinas, that is, to the philosophy of being. With the phenomenological method, for example, we can study experiences of morality, religion, or simply what it is to be human, and draw from them a significant enrichment of our knowledge. Yet we must not forget that all these analyses implicitly presuppose the reality of the Absolute Being and also the reality of being human, that is, being a creature. If we do not set out from such 'realist' presuppositions, we end up in a vacuum.
cited at the end of Petri, O.P.'s talk Aquinas & the Theology of the Body (http://vimeo.com/19313842); cf. his book of the same title (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=6556)