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Sacra Doctrina => Fides et Ratio => Topic started by: Geremia on August 09, 2019, 03:39:50 PM

Title: Montini, Galileo, & mathematics
Post by: Geremia on August 09, 2019, 03:39:50 PM
PDF pp. 108-10 of Thèse de Cassiciacum (https://isidore.co/calibre/get/PDF/6641) is a conference by Cardinal Montini in which he mentions mathematics, Plato, Galileo, and the Italian panpsychist Varisco (https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/varisco-bernardino-1850-1933#block-views-block-article-article-detail-block):
QuoteCe n'est pas sans raison que Galilée affirme [óu?] qu'en mathématiques (et comment se fait-il qu'aujourd'hui les mathématiques n'y arrivent pas) notre connaissance « égale la connaissance divine dans la certitude objective, car elle parvient à saisir la nécessité», et ainsi « participe à la divinité», du seul fait que l'intelligence humaine comprend la nature des nombres, « je le sais très bien, et je ne serais pas éloigné de porter le même jugement» que Platon à cet égard (cf. Varisco).

[It is not without reason that Galileo affirms [where?] that in mathematics (and how is it that today mathematics cannot do it) our knowledge "equals divine knowledge in objective certainty, because it comes to know necessity", and thus "participates in the divinity", from the sole fact that human intelligence understands the nature of numbers, "I know it very well, and I would not be far from making the same judgment" as Plato in this respect (see Varisco).]
Des Lauriers's brief refutation says Montini was "radicalement viciée par le rationalisme athée" ("radically vitiated by atheistic rationalism") who confused
Quotedeux « nécessités », à savoir: celle des enchaînements formels qui sont l'objet de la mathématique; celle des principes métaphysiques qui fondent la connaissance de la réalité.

[two "necessities", namely: that of formal links which are the object of mathematics; that of the metaphysical principles which underlie the knowledge of reality.]
cf.:
Title: The Cassiciacum Thesis, by Fr. Nicolás E. Despósito
Post by: Kephapaulos on August 09, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
Interesting that you mention this citation from Bp. Guerard des Lauriers' Cassiciacum Thesis because this recent video came out on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfHGGmLYg-A .
Title: The Cassiciacum Thesis, by Fr. Nicolás E. Despósito
Post by: Geremia on August 09, 2019, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: Kephapaulos on August 09, 2019, 06:01:39 PMInteresting that you mention this citation from Bp. Guerard des Lauriers' Cassiciacum Thesis because this recent video came out on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfHGGmLYg-A .
@23:18 he says: "In order to have perpetual successors of Peter, it is necessary to have perpetual electors of Peter." So he'd seem to rule out a miraculous divine election of a pope, but right after that he says it could be possible in the case of extreme necessity.
I like that he refutes conclavism by saying sedevacantist bishops have no title (presumed or otherwise) to jurisdiction in any territory and thus cannot represent the whole Church in a valid conclave.