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[Music] my [Music] [Applause] hello how's everybody doing
um I am here with his Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson how are you doing
today your Excellency oh better than I deserve
thank you better than you deserve so than Ive Excellency and I were talking
before we went live um obviously we had to um discuss a little bit the question
that we're not allowed to discuss on YouTube uh we will not unfortunately be
able to do to the restrictions of the platform be able to discuss that here
but what I thought was uh was very interesting and I thought that I haven't
seen too much about this is discussions or interviews about um his excellency's
life his life story his time with the Archbishop and everything like that so
this is what I wanted to focus this interview uh on so uh your Excellency um

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I to my understanding you're a convert from Anglican m is that
true you can call it anism anglicanism I think I'd rather call it
liberalism the anglicanism was not very prominent but the liberalism was all
absorbing MH so were you when you were of the liberal strain of anglicanism if
you want to call it that were you of more of a tractarian uh what was the
your churchmanship the church if I say I was rather a liberal than I
was rather a liberal than any kind of Churchman mhm for many years I I call
myself an atheist almighty God has a sense of
humor and and or dare I say Divine Lord a strange choice
because I wasn't very much concerned with religion at all at least I thought

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I wasn't so when you became how how old were you when you first became
interested in religion uh let me think a moment it was a gradual process let's
say uh certainly I was interested in the question in the middle of the
1960s uh let's say from 1965 onwards so between 1965 and 2024 that's nearly 50
years is that right that would years mental arithmetic is not too
bright maybe 60 years I can't work it out wait stop a moment 65 let's say to
2000 is 35 years plus 24 years yes 60 years 60 years 60 years ago yeah I

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began I began thinking because I could it was it can only been God who
gave me to see that the modern world is a busted flush it's shot it's
rotten it's helpless it can't help itself somebody is driving it to
destruction that that's you know the it doesn't drive itself to destruction
somebody is doing it and they are enemies of God and God has powerful
enemies I didn't I didn't see that immediately and I didn't conclude clude
that immediately I've concluded it since these things don't just happen on their
own I think FD Roosevelt once said that if it happens in politics it's
deliberate somebody is driving it uh and I didn't I wasn't thinking on
those lines to begin with I finished by thinking on those lines because you
can't have what's happening in the modern world I was observing what's

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happening in the modern world I didn't begin by making sense of
it and I can remember when I began making contact with
Catholics uh by for instance by visiting asford which is a big uh carite
Shrine uh in within Striking Distance of London and we're talking now about the
late 60s and early 70s in my own life and um I remember soon after I
began um getting interested in religion I began thinking uh yes it
is religion is involved it is a religious
question but it's not going to be uh my answers my questions will be

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answered but not on my terms I quite soon realized
I was not I was not going to be in charge of this
show I was I was going to get an answer to my questions but it wouldn't be the
answer that fitted anything I knew yet knew yet so I was coming pretty ignorant
and I was going to have to be the doctor
was going to have to break my leg before he could set it straight again so so
okay I signed on for breaking my leg so once you became in religion quite
quickly you became specifically interested in Catholicism uh yes because
um the first step was realizing that the modern world is going wrong it's going
down a KAC it's going down a blind alley it's um it's heading for for smash I

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could see that and it's now much more clear that it's for a smash than it was
when I began thinking this so almighty God was leading me but um I I
soon I I soon wrote off protestantism protestantism liberalism it's it's closely
connected and um liberalism is a child of protestantism so if logically if it
wasn't prism and again that was a thought that was put in my head head
surely by almighty God at a given a moment um then then logically
Catholicism becomes interesting because protestantism was a pro protest against
Catholicism so I began getting interested in
Catholicism and I came to know I got to know a few priests um some

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carites some Jesuits some benedictines they were all good men they all gave me
something um but it but it was all Theory Theory Theory until before it became
practice but it was fairly thoroughgoing and uh
unprejudiced I wasn't prejudiced for the Catholicism or against it I didn't have
a pre judice a prior judgment I had an open mind so I came to
know more as I as I went on and I met these priests to ask about Catholicism
and they told me what they knew and um they were all very kind very very
welcoming very very charitable they all each one of them gave me there must have

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been at least half a dozen such priests each one of them gave me something
and and um I began to put a picture together and I I liked the modern world
less and less because it's further and further away from God and
um little by little uh I came to the point where I'm I was sure the
Catholicism was the truth I didn't yet I still didn't yet act upon it I was like
standing at the edge of a swimming pool and um sort of feeling the water oh it's
nice and warm but I was still thinking you know what's in the water it's I
don't think it's for me I don't think it's for
me a cunning old Irish priest pushed me into the pool and that was it I had to
start swimming how long after that did you have a vocation was it immediate

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that you knew you wanted to pursue the priest well I I can tell you um that in
those first days I I think on the very day that
um Father John Flanigan received me into the
church he said to me uh as as I left him he said you ought to be thinking of a
priesthood young man I said wait a moment father wait a
moment because he was thinking already of that okay fair enough
you okay I didn't I didn't reject the idea but I certainly wasn't thinking of
it but I was getting more and more interested in um in our lady and her
apparitions and I'll tell you why because um the day a little before

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father Flanigan was offered to receive me into the
church on such and such a day and that was about that was a few weeks before it
happened um but uh I was so I went back to asford which is where I kind of
started on my journey in a sense on my Catholic journey and I went to back to
Alford and there I met a young American from
California Bob I can't remember his name now um Bob finegan no was it finegan no
no no no no Bob something anyway he he we were doing
work on the grounds of the of the shrine so so we were both had a spade in our
hand so to speak so we were chatting while we were on the J and um he said
he'd been to Europe and he'd been visiting various shines I said oh yes uh
he said yes shines of our lady I said oh yes uh shrines of a l recent Apparition

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oh oh yes pull the other one meaning pull the
other leg I don't believe in apparitions I don't believe our lady appears all of
that is is flamy as far as I was concerned I I was a rational individual
a modern man and I was English and we English don't easily believe things like
apparitions of he figures from heaven anyway he said
yes so I said pull the other one well I didn't say it but I certainly thought it
meaning pull the other leg meaning you fool me if you want to fool me go keep
going uh so he said yes and she's worried about what's going on in the
modern world what oh yes he said he oh yes um this is
our lady of uh our lady Our Lady of Gab oh where's Garabandal it's in Spain it's
the north of Spain oh and when did exactly did she appear did she

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supposedly I didn't say supposedly but that's certainly what I was thinking in
my mind when exactly did she appear in carabal oh from in the
1960s what well that's just this that's this this last decade we're now only 71
or 70 70 I forget which yes he said yes she was preparing all the first half of
the 1960s two two th000 times what yes and she tell what he said in
the little local in the little library of the shrine here for for the pilgrims
that come to the shrine there's a volume there's a a book on Garabandal by I
forget Jose Sanchez eventura a name like that and it's one of the early books on
Garabandal and it's fairly complete it was fairly complete and it was he was

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obviously taking seriously the operation that's obv it was
interesting so I took the book out and I read it fairly quickly and I was
immediately persuaded by the evidence there's photographs and
descriptions of extraordinary things actually happening under people's
eyes for instance the miracle of the communion with an Name by an Angel of K for
instance po photos of the ecstasies of the children four young Mountain
girls photos of uh the pilgrims that they were
already going up there up into the mountains a little south of sant Anda in
central Northern Spain and these F photographs and the
descriptions and the testimonies it all for me made perfect

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sense because I was coming at the church from the inexplicability
the pro the Deep problem of the modern world it's a deep
problem I knew it was a deep problem again God had given me to see
that so um I immediately took an interest a serious interest in Our Lady
of Gary bndo because here it seemed to me it seemed to me from where I had been
coming that that she or lady G combined as few people seemed to combine
as few even as few Catholics seemed to combine both a knowledge of the modern
world and a faith in the ancient Faith a belief in the ancient Faith the

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unchanging faith it seemed to me from my perspective that a number of these good
priests for instance they um interrupt when I came well
immediately after entering the church or being being pushed into the church by
father FL God Rest his soul God blessed the Irish
especially many English Catholics you scratch the service a little and you
come across the Irish there Irish ancestry usually somewhere often very
often somewhere the Irish save the faith in England I would say anyway I
um having been brought into the Faith by father
Flanagan it seemed to me these I when I came I I immediately on entering the
church I filled a rock sack with um NE necessary for a young man hooping it

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around on his own on the continent I filled a rocket with the things
necessary and began to travel to visit several places of apparitions M the
first stop was in Paris 1830 then I went down to LS which was
1856 then I crossed into Spain uh our lady Garabandal I went up to the mounted
Village to have a look I spent two weeks there on that occasion I then went took
took my way slowly across the rest of Spain to Portugal to visit Fatima and
then I came back to England with a rock sack filled with a number of books on
various apparitions so I enthusiastically went
to see these good priests that have been
helping me towards the church and I said father I've just been on the continent
I've been visiting shrines lady oh yes oh yes Father and I've been visiting Gab

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oh yes oh yes she knows the modern world and she knows she knows the true Faith
she's not making compromises with the modern
world oh yes young man you're a convert aren't you yes Father yes Father how
long ago about two to three months father yes that's it that's it I do
understand go home and take an aspirin and uh cool down cool down Dear Boy
you've got the right Faith but um you you need to get used to the church and
so on so so as far as I was concerned all of these good priests good men kind
men uh looking after sheep like myself um they were missing they were
firing on three cylinders out of four M there a cylinder missing

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they're not they don't have their finger on the Palace of what's going on in
today's world and they I don't know where they
get this idea from the Garabandal is is is is false that's absolutely not my
impression and I've seen I've visited the spot I met K herself who's the main
the leader of the four girls if you like very sensible very kind very Rel
welcoming I met her she was still in the village at that
time and um so I'd been to see and I I had seen and I read I had seen the
evidence e v i d n c e and these priests were not firing on the
evidence they were firing on something else found out it wasn't was wasn't too

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long before I found out it was a b obedience the whatever they were firing
on was lacking the truth the fullness of the
truth they were simply not up to dat they were not with
it maybe the maybe if if I stayed longer to any with anyone one of them but they
were not open to Garabandal Garabandal was a shut door
for them so I had a problem I mean I respected these priests I I love them in
in my way they' been very kind to me they had definitely helped me but
they're not firing on all cylinders there's something
missing so I went back I went back home with my tail slightly between my legs
not all that much but slightly between my legs like a whipped
dog but I then filled the rock sack again a few times and went to the

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continent and visited aaran in Germany modern apparitions in Germany modern
apparitions in Austria recent apparitions in in
Italy I I the apparitions was where I found what struck me as necessary namely
both cont truth ancient truth and contemporaneity with with itness which I
didn't find in these good priests so from then on Garabandal came came
acted for me it's not that I was converted to gbondo I was converted be
definitely before I went to gbondo I only found about about gab shortly
before I entered the church with with a couple of weeks before I entered the
church so so some people think I was converted by Gabel it's not true but I
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was from then on if a priest gave me the ancient Faith thanks be to God I picked
up as much as I could but if he tried to give me a
modern the modern world the correct relationship between the ancient faith
in the modern world I didn't I didn't swallow it because if he didn't if he
wasn't at least interested in gandoo there's something missing because she was
classic so to speak our lady Gala was absolutely true to the ancient Faith at
the same time she was obviously aware of what's going on in the modern world and
that was a rare combination as far as I was concerned and
I with what I found out subsequently about the modern church and about um

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apparitions the the balance was always on the side of
apparitions people are now liable to call me an apparition is they can call
me what they like they can call me what they like it's better if they tell the
truth and if they don't if they don't tell the truth that's their problem and
not mine so uh I I learned about Garabandal and I learned about these
other apparitions for inst the one in Austria I forget it was the um I forget
the name of the place was but and they always the same
message always the rosary always Penance always
um keep the faith practice the faith and not and never a word in favor of the
modern world or in favor of modernism or in favor and it's only
later that I discovered that the sort of Turning Point was Vatican

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2 so my learning when I when I when I keeping company so to
speak with the with our lady of the apparitions I stayed on that track
because that's where that's where the Catholicism that I'd been
given the faith I'd been given seemed to find its its home so to
speak uh staying on that track uh it was simply a matter of time
before I eventually well I I visited these places of
apparitions and I I didn't see where it was all going in the future so I went
back to see father Flanigan um and he put me back to work to stop me just
spinning around all over the place I span around for about a year and a half
uh he put me back to work well keep me all

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was um another thing that I was clearly given which was a love of St Thomas
andinus and that was a Jesuit a friend of the family uh who wanted me to read T
sh so I read some T sh not too much I just couldn't swallow it it's just
baloney sure enough the the scientists say he may be a great uh what was it a
great believer but he's certainly not a great scientist and then the Believers
said he may be a great scci the True Believers said he may be a great
scientist but he's certainly not a True Believer he was a Hocus Pocus mixture a
false mixture with both of the elements being false he's a false scientist and
he's a false Theologian he's just a false man but but beloved beloved of the
modern Church beloved less now than at one stage but at the time in the wake of

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Vatican 2 he was one of the main reasons for Vatican 2 m he's he's junk and he
used a different foret word so at this uh at this point how did
how did you end up getting involved with uh the society how did you end up
meeting the Archbishop and going to a and everything like that well you know
um it turned out that that well yes I went back uh uh I went back to see
father fandan and he put me up put back to work and said where are you where I
what are you doing young man I said I'm I'm drifting around I'm I'm enjoying
myself he said stop that he meant stop that you've got to do
something so he he rang up a local school and said we got a place for a
vagrant teacher who's who's unemployed and needs employ they said yes we have
we need we got somebody who we need just for the summer because we got a
cricketer on the staff he's going to play cricket he's going going to leave a

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gap for for the summer term so father pushed the phone into my hand and said
get yourself to work young man so okay uh and while I was there there he just
kept on of out vocation and said well if that's still what you think okay
okay so I'll do what you say so he say you you attend local local selection
conference at the local Seminary one of Seminary which is beautiful building
it's a lovely seminar it's closed down recently just quite recently within the
last couple of years and I so I did what he said and I intended
this this um selection for seminarians selection conference
there were about 15 of us this was 1971 I do
believe no 1972 doesn't matter one of 1972

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so I attended the conference and there there were three people running the
conference or leading the conference one priest one Layman and one lay
woman and guess which of the three asked
if I could stand asked me if I'd be able to stand
celibacy you get woman you got it you got it in one you got it in one she said
she said could you stand El coming from a woman I almost fell off the chair so I
didn't immediately answer so she repeated the question would could you
stand the syllabus I said well I don't know I I mean
I so I I think I could so okay so when I got back to Father fandan reported on
the whole conference he was Furious he was very conservative he
wasn't a Leist but he was conservative and he was Furious and he
sat down and banged off and as old fashion typewriter a letter to his

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Bishop complaining that if that's what the local Bishop is is that's the Ser
the local Bishop is sending SAR to he doesn't know what's going on he he was
Furious so I don't know how the bishop swallowed the letter but in any case um
the conference the selection committee said said to me oh yes very very very
very good young man thank you for coming but thank you but no thank you we don't
think you're quite suitable the priesthood because at one of the one of
the sessions which is just like an industrial company does it today there
was there was a selection discussion and it you know you had this
table surrounded by Young wolves or Young Lions and the the the the
organizer throws a piece of red meat on the middle of the table and sees what
reaction comes from from all the youngsters well that's what they do in

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Industry apparently so okay so it's it's the church learning from the world how
to select its priests can you imagine does that make sense if you lose the
faith yes it makes sense if you keep the faith that's got nothing to do with how
to select seminarians it should be at the very most a committee of three
priests if you like but not a lay one and a lay
Woman these people don't have the faith they've lost the faith I wasn't
concluding that already at that time but
I certainly think it s I think fa father faning was dead right he was an
experienced judgment and he had the faith and he knew that lay women have no
business to be taking part in the selection of
priests God lovely women they need to marry they need to have children and
poor things they refused children today which is why they're going crazy and
forcing themselves into the direct director's positions in all the men's

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Enterprises because they're not given children to keep to keep them for them
to occupy and to do what God wants of them which is to have children God's
purpose is to populate not depopulate these depopulates are criminals they
don't know it many of them but they are they're violating the will of God
for the whole of creation the whole purpose of creation is to send souls to
heaven for their own sake Prim for the glory of God primarily and for their own
sake secondarily these people don't have the
faith so anyway um I I I so I I went back to him after going after being from
refused from H and he thought again with his with L father watmore in the in the
next Parish to him who is another good soul and a good friend of Father
Flanigan we're back in the early 70s and the two of them thought up the London
oratory and many many signs indicated that could be a good idea because if I

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wanted to be a priest it it's they have Oxbridge candidates candidates to been
to Oxford or Cambridge I'm not very proud of having been to Cambridge but
any and I didn't didn't care for it at the time and I haven't cared for it ever
since although it did give me three years to think and to reflect with
something to think and reflect about but it was basically poor stuff it's basic
silly the professors are silly shallow and silly and the and the students the
cambrige students in inverted Commerce are even
sillier the professors were at least a generation a bit older than the 7 the
the students but the students in the 1960s were silly I couldn't get over their
silliness that's the that's how it seemed to me it gives you the picture of
the Arrogant young man etc etc etc okay so um I went back and and so I I I gave

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the oratory a try I a signed on for the apost I think they said what they call
it you're apost then you're a novice and then you enter the the oratory it's a
fine religious house or was a fine religious house launched by father fa in
the 19th century and today it's definitely conservative it's not entirely
traditional but there's definitely the faith being kept of the London oratory
the defin so it's not all bad even today the orator is by no means all bad there
are a lot of Catholics there who have the faith and Priests who have the faith
they're not good enough for this crisis to get to be good enough for this
crisis you need an archal affair because you've got to have
somebody who knows the church doctrine and knows just how deeply and just where
the modern world went wrong and for the whole of the 19th

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century the church was teaching the world if only it would listen by the
Pope's great encyclicals the doctrine that Catholics need to untie and refute
and not believe in the modern world okay the Archbishop was a great believer in
the E cyclical because he had had a great teacher at the P of flock at the
French seminary in Rome where he' been where he did his Seminary and that's
where he loved this love of the encyclical which all of the other
Bishops have known the at the time of Vatican 2 they all
had been through summaries in which they
they learned to some extent at least the encyclical and every every young priest
that went through the French semary F in Rome had certainly met the
encyclical so they all had the same chance that archel leev had and yet they
did not stand up to the modern world what did it take for arish a strong

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Faith but these others they were watching television they were beginning
to watch television which was coming in in the 1950s they were
um reading too many newspapers they were exposing themselves
to the junk the principles of junk like religious liberty and so on which the
modern world completely believes in and sets up against
Catholicism they were frequenting the enemy and expecting to stay with say
amongst the friends you can't do that says almighty
God if you go go if you go and live with
the Wolves you're going to finish acting like a wolf and you're going to eat my
sheep instead of looking after my sheep was the one who looked after the
Sheep was artificial Affair all right you're I know you want to see how did I
get in touch with the artificial we'll come to that if you're

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lucky if if you're lucky um if we get it in time uh anyway uh where was
I yes this so the oratory after two months the oratory so you know I mean
the there was a dear old doctor of theology who was teaching giving us some
lessons on on scripture and I said I piped up at one point I can remember and
say what about St Augustine on scripture No he had some miserable modern
commentary the New Jerusalem bible and so on and so on
junk if not complete junk a mixture of junk and good
stuff but no discernment between the two always this attempt to adapt the True
Religion to The Wretched religionless modern world you can't run a car on
Snowballs you try you stuff two snowballs into the reservoir the the

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tank the petrol tank of a car and very soon the car stops just a little water
mixed with the petrol stops the petrol burning and then the car won't move
you've got to clean out all of that that brot that diluted petrol and you've got
to put pure petrol back in the tank then the car
moves the the Catholic church has got to
clean out all of the modern nonsense and stupidity and faithlessness and
liberalism it's got to be cleaned out Vatican 2 has got to be trashed from
start to finish it's junk subtle poison junk and I wasn't arriving at that
conclusion at all at that time I wasn't since since I I can
see but I wasn't thinking that already all I was thinking of was this dear old
man teaching half junk or what was not Church
fathers the church fathers are there so but always wanting to be in tune with

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the modern world and that meant being in tune with
the modernized church I had not yet put two and two together i' not by is yet
made four but I was slowly getting the picture and and still people were people
were encouraging me to so so the second time I went back down to the father
Flanigan with my tail between my legs this time like a whipped Dog Father you
wanted me to for vocation look this is this is the second
time and I'm back out on the pavement a second time so he said to
me young man if you can't keep your big bout shut there's only one place there's
only one place for you and taxy con I said well yes Father what's it

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Con so he he didn't believe in Archbishop the F he believed in Pope
Paul v 6 he did not believe in the Bishops like his own Bishop of arendel
and Brighton who had sent me to wanes or who was who was in irresponsible for
wanes he didn't believe in his own Bishop he didn't believe in the Bishops
but he thought but he did believe in Paul I 6 so this is an Irishman with a
blind Irish faith in this respect who insisted on believing in the pope but
the Pope was the responsible again I didn't put I didn't
realize it at the time but it's Pope Paul I six who did his best to modernize
the church he did everything he could he arm wrestled with the church to get rid
of the old church and replace it with the new church and then he wept when there
weren't enough Priestly vocations Paul the 6 was largely responsible for the
lack of vocations because he switched and baited the young men he baited them

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with the vocation to the priesthood and then switched them onto the modern
priesthood which is not a priesthood at all oh my oh my what a gigantic drama so
I was I was this little creature mixed into this
great drama getting to know it all the time bit by bit and uh so he said
there's only one place for you that's Aon and and he didn't believe he didn't
believe in archal Affair he made an appointment or the Archbishop made an
appointment with him to meet him in London because the Aral traveled to
encourage anybody who was still wanting to defend the faith anywhere in the
church he didn't have all that many candidates everybody was quote unquote
obeying they were obeying obeying obeying damn the

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faith but we've got to obey and so they followed their leader it was a brilliant
job of the devil to get all the massive Catholics following in the wrong
direction without even realizing it because they would they would rather
follow the pope to Hell than not follow the pope that's not the purpose of the
Pope the pope is not there to leave people to hell he was doing that that's
not what he was that's not God created the papy for so
anyway he sented W and that's how he got
to know a con so I I said well well well father look there's this priest I trust
and I know now you're a canon law he he know something of canon law let me have
a debate let me attend a debate between the two because I know Aon is
disapproved of I know that okay so Father F agreed Father F would
definitely had the better of the argument but Father F the argument was
whether I should go to w con or not the priest I knew already who was would been
ordained actually by artificial Fair father Peter

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Morgan um good man good man one of the very first priests that the Archbishop
ordained for the society an Englishman he's still operating as a priest in the
South Country in the in in down south west westwards in England he's operating
as a traditional priest with the trummer
um he must be quite old by now uh anyway uh I wanted the two of them to discuss
in front of me so that I could judge which was whether whether I should
really go to a the priest that I knew with the tradition I knew wanted me to
go of Father Flanigan apparently wanted me to go but in in reality he didn't
believe in Archbishop leev he acted against arish he made an appointment
with the Archbishop leev in London to meet the Archbishop and listen to the
Archbishop and receive encouragement from the Archbishop but then he stood

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the Archbishop up or stood him down I forget which way the expression goes he
stood he he didn't attend the he didn't attend the meeting he didn't make he
didn't follow on the appointment because he was distrusted the
Archbishop so in theory he didn't want me to go there in practice he was saying
to me there's no other since you got such a big mouth there's no other place for
you so anyway I I it's after meeting with Father Peter Morgan still Father F
wanted me to go away so I went and I I remember speaking on a French
television program with my big mouth and I there you go this was was it when I
was still a seminarian so in the next couple of years maybe um the French

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journalist uh so uh I told I said you know wherever i'
been previously I'd always wanted to break the glass the way break the
windows but ever since I got to a cone um I got on very well with the
windows so I wasn't smashing the windows at the cone that's that's where the
truth was the ancient Doctrine with no stupid compromise
no desire to adapt to the criminal modern
world that's the that's what that's what a number of other young men were also
looking for none of them perhaps with my
Venom with my Venom because none of them
had been dragged through the thorn hedge backwards long for longer than I had in
sunk in liberalism so when I got to the when I got to aone I I that was that

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was where it was meant to be and I was I arrived in the end of
1972 And I slaughtered into the program of the Seminary which was only five
years at that time five years of Seminary because the Archbishop
absolutely wanted to get priests on the road to look after the Sheep because the
Sheep were being abandoned in droves by these modernizing priests these priests
dutifully and sweetly and obedient ly teaching nonsense believing nonsense and
teaching it and trying to look after sheep with poison
pasture because liberalism is poison it's Godless it's Liberty from God
liberalism is named from Liberty and basically it's Liberty from God because
if you're not free from God what are you free from Trifles to be really free
you've got to be free from God you've got to have no Ten Commandments and

00:46
that's what Liberals are like that's what they're shooting for whether they
know it or not whether they believe it or not if they're liberals that's what
they want they don't want God and the modern world does not want
God and that is the problem at the root of this miserable performance at the MVP
games the opening C the MP games for instance the opening ceremony of that
huge tunnel between Switzerland and Italy which was
opened five six years ago I can't remember brand new tunnel and they had a
satanic opening ceremony what do they expect what are they thinking almighty
God you are now our our slave because we can drive holes through your biggest
mountains and you're not going to let them collapse upon us are you of course
almighty God has left the tunnel running he's not dropped the roof on the tunnel
which you could easily do that would be the end of the tunnel if it was a rock

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drop of enough but of course the designers and architects of the The
Tunnel built it as well as they can but God could smash it to pieces if he
wanted they don't they don't realize who
they're dealing with they've got no idea they've got no idea of God of the
justice of God of the love of God no idea he's just yesterday's
flamy so um that's how I got to a how was the
how was the AR four years there I was then ordained in 1976 and I went out on
the road no no I was teaching in the seminar from then on I spent I was never
in a in a parish or prior of the society or based in one I was always based in
the seminaries I was based in the English speaking Seminary then in the French
speaking Seminary of aone I started with
the German in in German Switzerland then the French in French in French

00:48
Switzerland then the American Seminary I was I was 21 years in the American
Seminary and then I was argentinia Spanish speaking s and so on so that was
my career until they threw me out of the society because I got a big
mouth how was uh Archbishop laev personally because I mean he's obviously
a a massive figure uh even Catholics who
aren't traditionalists can recognize the Great work that he has done for the
church but as a as a sort of individual as a man how how was he oh he was
charitable he was nice he was so sweet a French no this was time it was
it was an American American journalist team which is not the same thing as a

00:49
journalist when the Archbishop died in 1991 I was in in Winona Minnesota in the
sem in Winona Minnesota and um she asked that question
fair enough to Fair she said you know what was he like what was his great
quality um and I said his objectivity I didn't say his charity his
hum humility his obedience his nness I didn't say that I said his objectivity
and that was his enormous strength he had an objective Faith the faith in his
faith in no way depended on depended upon his beautiful charismatic
personality you would you would he was extremely charitable he was extremely
reachable basically humble no arrogance no pride no presumption no

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pretense no pretense at all he was in fact a very fine Theologian but he he he
didn't make it he didn't sort of he didn't make him known and supposed
crackerjack theologians look down at it look down at his theology or his
knowledge of theology but he had the faith he had the faith and he saw more
clearly than dear father Flanigan where the what the faith required what the
faith required of the Pope the pope has not got to reinvent the church he's got
to take the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ and look after it and keep it on
its track not on his track poor Paul the po po Paul v 6 believed in the modern
world he exalted at the moonlanding since then we know the moonlanding is
nonsense it was fixed up on the in the Arizona desert or the Nevada desert I

00:51
forget but it was all done Hollywood lighting and and trickery and that's the
modern world and President Kennedy boasting of the USA landing on the moon
it did nothing of the kind because for instance uh to get to the moon you'd
have to go through the Van Allen belts which surround the earth and the Van
Allen belts are so radioactive apparently that you would need a heavy
Leed shield to protect any asteral in any rocket trying to go through the ran
Allen builds and that lead would be had to be so heavy that the Brocket would
not be able to take off that's how it was at any rate in the
1960s those terrible 1960s so it was a gigantic lie that's
what the modern world feeds on gigantic lies I can name one or two others
especially one from our modern times which would get you banned from YouTube
so I'm not going to go into it like a good little boy I won't go into

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it how um I I've heard various things about the the life of the Archbishop um
one thing that that some have been pushing recently is to accuse him
of wavering back and forth between sedevacantism and believing in the
legitimacy of the conciliar popes do you have any insight into I have I have a
definite party line on that one my party he wasn't wavering at all he was
always trying to defend the faith and if only he could get Rome to
do something to defend the faith and stop this Vatican to
nonsense if only he could get Rome to take a small step in favor of tradition
so that tradition would be lightened made easier for Catholics

00:53
it would spread through the whole world like when poor Pope gratzinger poor for
the same reasons as Paul I 6 this rotten
Doctrine this Doctrine vitiated Catholic Doctrine viated by modernism and
liberalism when ratzinger eased off the condemnation of
the true faith of the true Mass it made available all over the
world it was made available for priests to celebrate Catholic priest to could
could at least on their own celebrate once more the true Mass which did good
to the church all over the world objectively because they were they were
leaning on the true sacrifice of our Lord which is the priest business
sacrifice is the prime business of the priest the priest is for the sacrifice
sacrifice must requires a priest and ratzinger eased eased off

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ring was was a modernist an absolute modernist his head was rotten with hagor
that was his problem it's a first class mind with trash trash content a a very
good computer but with junk loaded into it with junk
programs and that crippled poor ratzinger but his heart was good he
meant well he had something of a Catholic Instinct still in him and he
wanted to give a b give a give some oxygen to the old Mass which he did
and it did good to the whole church I I for how how do I get on to
Benedict I beg your pardon what was your question yes I was asking about whether
Archbishop leev was a set of a contest at any point correct correct no he was
never a s ofst he did at least twice in public take seriously s of cantism I
think was one one occasion was um when he was um suspended in 1976

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which meant he should have stopped all his Priestly and Episcopal activities he
didn't he disobeyed quote unquote disobeyed because he had a faith strong
enough to grasp that the objective truth of the Catholic religion Towers above
these pygmies like Paul I 6 and and and Paul ratzinger I say Paul ratzinger
because the man had something decent in him some decent instincts from his very
Catholic childhood before the council but he was one of the Ring leaders of
the false thinking of the council because he he picked up Hegel at some
stage and that addled his wits he couldn't think straight from then on he
was always trying to mix oil and oil and
water and that's all of these characters they're trying to mix oil and water it
it won't go they're putting snowballs in the in the tank of the of the cars of
Catholic cars and all the Catholic cars come to a stop because water and petrol

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will not fire they go but they can't get it into
the heads it happens constantly and they they can't recognize what's going on
they're blind poor things so anyway um the
Archbishop was always trying to defend the faith if only he could get the Roman
officials to do a little in favor of tradition it would benefit the whole
church he can go on raising priests in his own saries the priests are going to
go out and look after some sheep but you can't compare that with the effect of
Rome but Rome couldn't do it Rome was incapable of looking after tradition it
took the the Archbishop some time to see that whenever he saw that that Rome was
going wrong he said Rome is going wrong and then he seemed to be sa of a canst
he said the Popes are going wrong the Popes are on the wrong track because
they're departing from Catholic tradition Catholicism is tradition tradition is

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Catholicism so these popes were not traditional are not
Catholic he saw that he said it he spoke
he spoke up against with respect he with respect he never disrespected the popes
in public he never Sneed at them mocked them insulted them no because that's not
what our Lord's way of doing things but you do fight on Doctrine and he fought
them on Doctrine he said this doctrine that he didn't
say this Pope he I forget exactly but he did say the popes were were were wrong
on Doctrine and he quoted where and he quoted chapter and verse for instance
out of the encyclical he kept on referring to Quant Kura to pendi to
lament and so on these great anti-liberal
declarations D statements I can remember

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once in card ratzinger trying to mix oil and water the the card rtics said these
great encyclical oh yes oh yes they were substantial anchorages in
Doctrine substantial anchorages so the the Catholic Church
arrives at this port drops anchor uh takes on supplies takes on water takes
on eggs on things it needs then it pulls up anchor and sails to the next
Port l lesson Doctrine needs Evolution the modern Church the modern churchmen
believe in evolution they believe in evolution of Doctrine that's nonsense
Catholic Doctrine does not evolve it develops yes what's the difference that
the new doctrine entire in develop leads
further but does not change the doctrine of yesterday so there's an evolution of
Doctrine but the doctrine stays exactly the same

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basically the same but it needs to be expressed in different terms maybe for a
different time so there's a certain development that's needed yes but a
change of content absolutely no but these poor proops who a modern men
creatures of the modern world are glamorized by the modern world Landing
people on the moon quote unquote etc etc etc so they believe in the modern world
brula believed in the modern world world and the the modern world is trash T R
trash that's what these that's what they can't imagine they they just see oh
science oh technology now as I keep saying we've
got go we've got toasters that can play golf oh what a Marvel a toaster that can
play golf marvels of Technology junk for the Salvation of Souls and for

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Eternal salvation junk a distraction what is in in modern times
the most terrible distraction of all one of the most brilliant inventions of all
the smartphone what does the smartphone give you to get help you on your way to
heaven not much not much it gives you a great deal to handle all the
distractions of the modern world you can
buy almost anything it makes it it makes
it more powerful you can do anything you like all over the world instantaneously
it's a brilliant machine but it's a distraction from
Heaven absolutely the B world is just not that brilliant it's brilliant in fresh
absolutely so when it when it came to the the I
wanted to ask about the consecrations um because obvious let me stop you a
moment have I answered you fully on so when the Archbishop um

01:01
SST he was recalling the popes and the churchmen to the true Doctrine but he
wasn't s ofst he never finished he never
finally believed that the popes were not popes he believed they were Popes he
treated them like popes and he knew perfectly well that if
only these popes would change their line of thinking they could help Catholics
all over the world to save their souls that's why he went down to Rome he went
down to Rome he went down to Rome and on the other hand why did did he criticize
the the the same officials that he went to see because they were so
wrong but if he was criticizing them it was for the sake of the faith and if he
was going to see them to persuade them it was for the sake of the faith there's
there's no deep down wavering so when it when it comes to the the
consecrations um of 1988 yes yes how long before the consecrations occurred

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did you know that you were going to be one of the ones who would carry on the
legacy of the AR as I recall it was about a year beforehand the
Archbishop fired a warning shot across my bows so to speak about a year
beforehand I went him and said and the words of the American song
there no no a thousand times no you'll never enjoy my caress so I'll never say
yes so I said to him look you're barking up no no no he said well no he said
nothing at the time he said nothing at the time he just
listened how you late he said you're off for the high jump I said okay if you
Excellency if you say I I follow I'll do what you say
so I tried to tell him no but he said yes okay okay

01:03
I trusted him so at that time was it only you who were asked or was everybody
involved ask I'm sure that the three no two others were involved there were his
his original plan was three he was then persuaded to add Bishop furly to the to
the three so kind it came out finally at four but there were only two others to
begin with and I'm sure that they were warned so to speak at the same time as I
was MH so go leading up to that moment was how how was the solemnity because
obviously there's it's it's one thing to you know train seminarians and ordained
priests but it seems like it's a whole new level to consecrate Bishops and to
be involved with that what were was there at all fear on your part when it
came to the canonical situation that that would put you no I'm no Canon

01:04
lawyer I don't know canon law I don't pretend to know it um but I trusted the
Archbishop this was the man of Truth in a world of [Music] Lies so
when when the consecrations happened and the immediate aftermath of
that uh what was the connection between you and Rome was it just you know a
letter and ignore did you ever uh try to communicate with Rome uh how because
obviously after that point you were I guess much more on their radar um now
that you had been uh consecrated a bishop yes well good luck to their radar I
mean here's here's the man who is greatly serving the

01:05
church so if the men of the church can't see it that's their
problem and it wasn't wasn't my problem so to speak well it it's the problem of
all Catholics it's the problem of all Catholics because they are meant to be
the pastors and the leaders and they're leading the the CH the Sheep into poison
pastures and the Sheep are getting poisoned
and they're dropping dead they're losing the faith in their
droves and it's still going on today there's still the Catholic church
is so strongly built that still today after all of these tens of years of
poison it's still staggering along staggering is the word and and you
know it seems as though it's got to come to a halt it's got to drop dead

01:06
the the clo seminaries are closing the conducts are closing the monasteries are
closing being sold off to S apples the scripture says you know then do
you the tragic comedy just goes on mhm and now the society the archbishops own
Society is trying to compromise that's what I was about to ask about next
actually do you think the archbishop's plan was carried out
according to his wishes after his passing uh after he died I prefer the
word death to passing it's more it's more
blunt uh he died in 1991 the the society had some golden years after he died

01:07
because um there was a flood of Grace because when when the
consecrations happened the Archbishop expected more trouble than there was he
expected more people to quit than did he was surprised by the number of souls
that hung on to him so to speaker hung on to what he was doing that didn't
protest and didn't walk away there were there were those that
did walk away like ja Mador a famous French commentator who was a very
faithful companion of the of the Archbishop for many years but who just
did couldn't get the consecrations against the against the express
prohibition of Rome and he was he was typical of a certain number of people
but they were less than the Archbishop feared and the the society priests at
that moment they all all the leading priests in the society were meeting at a
meeting in a in a con um they all signed a letter to Rome

01:08
saying if you want to excommunicate the Archbishop and Bishop the CI very kindly
excommunicate the rest of us here we are putting our heads on the
guillotine because we completely associate ourselves with what the
Archbishop has just done that's the attitude of the priests at that
moment but give them a few more years the Archbishop died in 91 in
9495 already there were they call discret contacts between the society and
representatives of of official Rome and that was a FR an important French
diplomat um I think her name was perol an important French diplomat said
uh in the 92 93 somewhere around there he said after the Arch Bishop died he
said aone is Catholic Rome is Catholic I'm I'm a diplomat I'm not a theologian

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uh uh uh uh at that moment a r a red light begins winking I'm not a
theologian and other words he's going to he's not going to go into Doctrine
Doctrine is the heart of the matter and when this Diplomat thinks that diplomacy
can make up for a diplomatic Clash can make up for the fact that water is water
and and um petrol is petrol when a dipl thinks that he can reconcile water and
petrol he's in la la land so this dear Diplomat a sweet man
no doubt I never met him I don't know him I wanting to make peace between
Catholics hey look water is water and petrol is
petrol you're not doing any favor to the church by pushing snowballs into the
tank of its Motor Cars you're doing no favor to the
church oh yes we are we're making it understandable to the modern world and

01:10
we're making the modern world understandable to the church we're going
to save the church and save the world that's Paul the 6 it's
junk these poor characters have got no sense of
reality the modern world take takes away people's sense of
realities and it it it tells everybody for instance in education just want to
be a lawyer and you'll be able to be a lawyer and make pots of money because if
a man wants something he can do it you can't do it if you haven't got the
brains you need some brains to be a lawyer again reality oh no no we can do
what we like or what we like will happen poor poor modern people the the massive
modern people are living in Lull land and Catholic the Catholic church
does not live in L land it tries to and is collapsing it won't finally collapse

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because almighty God it has the guarantees of Eternal exist the church
will not fail but by gol is being brought to its knees by by Petrol in by
water in the petrol tank it's Doctrine the the the water
what is what is water is Doctrine what is petrol is
Doctrine normally you don't think of but
that's where the problem is these people do not know reality and they don't want
to know reality they don't want God's reality because they don't want God
that's the deep down problem they do not want God the devil has got into the
modern world has got into the mass of leaders of the modern world poor souls
they're going to ask for their lead misleading in in the FES of hell they
better wake up if we're in time but oh no no no the church is a
thing of the past God is a thing of the past we got over God

01:12
we we we killed him long ago God is dead oh goodness
gracious God have mercy upon us have a mercy upon this he does he has a great
deal of Mercy which is why this situation is dragging on and on and on
because he's waiting until as many people as possible open their eyes and
backtrack which they're not willing to do at this
moment Paris with this double ceremony the the the the opening ceremony was was
clearly Blasphemous the closing ceremony was strongly
satanic strongly satanic Paris is mocking God France is mocking God the
eldest daughter of the church mocking God but St Paul says in
Galatians 6 verse 7 God is Not mocked what a man SS that he's going to reap
that's absolutely true and people people modern people are

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going to have to find out that are going to have to learn the hard way they're
not going to learn any other way than the hard way which is why a chastisement
is hanging a severe chastisement is hanging right over our heads and sure
enough the third world war is approaching day by day and it's going to
be very ugly because it's almost short to go nuclear people dream La La Land la
Landers think it it won't go it doesn't have to go nuclear oh yes it will it
will go nuclear it the punishment is God to fit the crime the crime of
godlessness is terrible it's bang against the very
first of the Ten Commandments which is the most important of all 10 thou shall
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart with all thy soul with all thy strength
and with all thy will and um people know he doesn't exist
we can do as we like we can just enjoy ourselves my good friend be careful of

01:14
hell and get back on your knees to ask God why you're on the wrong track so do
you pray the rosary above all pray the rosary if you got an inkling of our Lady
and and the love of our Lady and the power of our Lady as being so close to
God and yet she's only a woman so to speak she's not a man she's a woman but
she is entrusted by almighty God with the salvation of the modern world that's
why he wants the Immaculate Heart above all to be honored by the consecration of
Russia so that she will have the credit for saving the world through Russia
from God's enemies let's just say so do you see yourself as
continuing the the legacy of Archbishop leev against those who are trying to
dilute his message uh because at least it seems to me from reading a sort of

01:15
basic biographical sketch of uh where you've been since at least 2009
consecrating new Bishops uh conditionally consecrating Bishops um uh
obviously ordaining priests uh starting the sspx resistance it seems like you
were trying to adapt the method and message of Archbishop leev um to the
current situation would that be correct yes yes but if youd ask the bishop
Le are you a Leist he would have said no I'm
not I'm a Catholic he would have said I'm a Catholic I don't want to die a
Protestant he said was what he used to say uh it's not persons or
personalities it's an object of truth which goes straight back to our

01:16
Lord and has been carried on down through the Centuries by the faithful
Catholic Church which is a lot of persons and personalities but they're
not what it's all about It's All About Heaven and Hell about our Lord Jesus
Christ his mother the doctrine of the TW Apostles the doctrine of the Catholic
church and the arch fishop was objective it it wasn't him or his wonderful
personality it was what he was serving that mattered and that was almighty God
and our lady that's that's that's what it said
for the purposes of the glory of God ad myor glor D said s IGN of loyal which
was the slogan or the motto of his society which which did so much for the
church in the in the in the 16th 17th and 18th

01:17
centuries so Jesus rendered magnificent service to the church but it was for the
greater glory of God not for the glory of igntion of
Loyola he was the instrument of God for serving the
truth as a consequence of which there is Charity or charity the real thing
charity is the false substitute spelled with a W instead of no share with it
then but the real the real thing does exist and it's the truth it's the true
faith that sub sustains true charity without the true Faith there
can't be true charity on the principle that you can't love what you don't
know if you don't what you don't know what you do not know by faith you can't
base true charity on absolutely the true Faith must come in front of charity

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charity follows what was d a ding a ding a d All You Need Is
Love is junk The Beatles are junk they're four nice young men please
God the the two that have already died may have saved their souls I don't know
you know M no McCartney is still alive isn't he Harrison is dead and lenon is
dead yeah for the record I think the Beatles are junk too so I
concur okay that's good H they're English of course yes yes
so there's been a a few who have asked obviously as I as I said you the
ministry your ministry has changed since you have left the or you may say the
society left you since I got kicked out of the society I did not walk out yes

01:19
since they since the society left uh left you uh behind um what has been the
nature of if I may ask uh your relationship with figures like
Archbishop vegano uh since then I I've um visited Archbishop vgo
twice um I certainly don't have to teach him lessons uh he he is a true
Churchman he has a lot of courage and a lot of faith he's not he says he admits
very humbly and honestly that he was fooled for tens of years because he
could not believe that his colleagues were meaning to destroy the church he
could not believe it but what he was observing all around
him especially when he ran into a certain Cardinal in the United
States and the fruits of their Cardinal what he was running into was rot and

01:20
Corruption and he knows following St Paul and following Church do that moral rot
follows on bad Doctrine so um he has got good
Doctrine and he he he prets great high up Catholic officials like him were 10 a
penny before the C Council and he's a classic product so to
speak of of the preconc silia church mhm
but he's a servant of the faith and when
the the time comes he can no longer deny the evidence and he has to admit these
people have gone wrong the that Vatican 2 is seriously
wrong but he did not believe it for a long time because he did not see the full
fruits and he did not put Doctrine first he must have known that the
doctrine was bad ways back but he he he looked at the exterior

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of his colleagues he saw them pretend he saw them fully believing that
they were serving the church with Vatican 2 and so he didn't question
Vatican 2 he didn't deeply question he never deeply questioned Vatican 2 I would
guess but when he ran into the rot the scale of the rot in the the church in
the United States where he was had just been made
lcio by as a means of kicking him upstairs getting him out of
Rome um then he said that's it that's it these people want to destroy the church
and I'm not going to go along with them just like the Archbishop said and they
coincide remarkably it's not remarkable they're both serving the same God with
the same truth so Vigo is a gift of God to the
world and church which no longer have Archbishop leev gu to guide them but he

01:22
has all the prestige of a high ranking Churchman and all the knowledge and and
a lot the wisdom of an old-fashioned high ranking Churchman and he's acting
like a lighthouse I visited him twice he's been very very
welcoming he's got a great deal of respect for Archbishop leev he said
recently when he was excommunicated himself uh he said um the arguments of
arch M the thoughts of arch M the the answer the response to Rome of archal is
nine he Associates very closely with archal in the stand that he took but
he's not he's not following Archbishop leair because of his beautiful
personality or because of his Charisma he's following him because he's
following the same truth that AR was following what do you think it would

01:23
take for you personally to I want to be careful about how I Ash this to
reconcile with a society yeah well not to reconcile with the society uh more so
reconcile uh with Rome herself um or or to come back in Union or wherever
however you would uh you would like to put that like what would it take for
Rome to to do in your mind in order to have this occur if it did it it would be
recognizable instantaneous ly all over the world if Rome did what was
necessary Rome would immediately start backtracking it would it would throw
Vatican 2 in the trash just like that is that a dream probably it's a dream but
but that Rome was playing that Rome was on a different track would be clear
overnight do almost overnight do you think think that um that that will

01:24
happen at at one point or do you think there'll be a state of it's it's going
to take a very Hefty kick in the backside for that to happen I think it
will happen because almighty God is going to step in he's going to step in
with a very severe chastisement because nothing less will do the trick people
got to be shaken out of their nonsense they've got to be
shaken shaken stiff scared stiff they got to be trembling for when the next
nuclear bomb and lands before many will get back on their knees but they have
got to get back on their knees instead they will stand there
shaking their fist at the sky saying who do you take yourself to be punishing us
we have human rights we have human Liberty we have Liberty equality
fraternity we have human rights get lost who you take yourself to be
almighty God forget it that's what they're going to do just wait and see a lot

01:25
of do you know who um David Balon I think bordon is his name
um Michael Michael bordon maybe yes go on uh Pope uh well he became known as
Pope Michael eventually did you happen to know him when he was uh when he was
at a years and years ago yes he was a seminarian I think in I think it was in
a con yes because there's there's him and then
uh others other individuals are asking right now about Daniel Dolan and Donald
sanbor um who kind of I guessed a lot of American set of
eonism um what what was were were was there an impression sort of of of a of a
radical element in eone that birthed a lot of these set of a contest and const

01:26
attitudes in America in particular I don't think there's any denying
that human beings fallible human beings U have followed tradition who
have Then Fall Fallen into savantism I would say fallen into
savantism because I I personally think my opinion is that city of can is a
mistake it's an understandable mistake it can be a very serious mistake
but I think still think it's a mistake it's an
exaggeration um so if but the Archbishop never never committed that
exaggeration so I don't know if you can blame aone for
undoubtedly let me say in 1973 there was a crisis on the left people were
seminarians and professors were going back to the mainstream Church 75 another
crisis of eon on the the left the devil couldn't stand EO he knew what it meant

01:27
uh 77 another crisis on the left about 15 to 20 seminarians walked
out to but found a seminary in France where they would no longer be so opposed
to Rome and it was a dream it was it collapsed very soon it didn't work 79
was a crisis on the right by in 76 the the ordination of priests against
the will of Rome against Paul I 6 resulting in the suspension of the
Archbishop resulted in the massive Le the beginning the mass of leel in I
think it was August of of of 76 caused the traditional movement to come into
existence and that's when the Archbishop said this is a bastard church with
bastard sacraments strong language but very but
actually very understandable um you know as the result of a false marriage

01:28
between water and petrol um bastards um snowballs in the tank
uh but and then he he he contemplated he I think he spoke in public about sacred
mechanism and I think he would say at least he took it seriously but he
did not follow it himself self the same happened in '85 or 86 for some reason he
considered it he considered seriously and in public in a sermon
the the doctrine of sanism but he didn't go with it he took it seriously but he
didn't go with it um I don't think he can be blamed for that exaggeration
coming out of Aon I don't think he can fairly be blamed he himself was always
extremely balanced he never exaggerated which is a great wisdom which is a great

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Temptation for somebody in his situation and a great wisdom not to not to not to
tick too too much one way or the other Moses interesting the beginning of
the book of The Book of Joshua Moses left Joshua with the instruction not to
deviate to the right or to the left and I I think that's what the AR
Bishop himself never did because he had he was anchored in the
truth and not substantial Anchorage for the doctrine to develop
and and the doctrine to evolve an evolution of Doctrine no the doctrine of
the the basic doctrine of the church cannot change so you are you are firmly uh
anchored in the in your current position uh in relation to Rome um you have no

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intention of um unless there's very substantial change of um reuniting so to
speak it's not a question you Unity is secondary the question of unity is
around what are you uniting are you uniting around the truth
Bingo go right ahead are you are you n uniting around a mixture of oil and of
water and petrol forget it Unity is secondary MH it's secondary to
truth truth is the correspondence of the mind to
reality so it's a question of knowing reality when Rome recognizes reality
again we will know all about it and they will be there will be such a
Yank on the rudder that the whole ship will
shudder what do you say to those who um advocate for

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re well reforming um within the canonical structures of of the
church I think uh canon law is valid uh it's just how it's it it the
principle the basic principles of Catholicism do not change what changes
is their application in this incredible in this unprecedented crisis of the
church because never has the church seen
six popes in a row so misguided as these
Vatican 2 popes from John the 3 John the 23rd to um Pope Francis
included they're they're they don't know it but they're crazy basically crazy
because they're mixing they're trying to
mix oil with water it won't go it simply won't go oil has an objective nature
water has an objective nature those two objective Natures will not mix water and

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coffee will mix because coffee is basically water MH tinted
water but oil and petrol will not mix because the petrol is lighter and water
is heavier you can shake the bottle furiously as which is what these poor
consilia churchmen are doing they shake they they they put water in with the
with the oil and they shake the bottle furiously for about I don't know how
long it takes for the two to separate again but if you just leave the bottle
stand within what 20 seconds they're completely separated again or maybe it's
she faster that or maybe bit slower I don't know but they will inevitably
separate they cannot mix the modern Godless World cannot with its Godless
liberal principles cannot mix with Catholic truth have you ever
considered um having an audience with the Holy Father father in order to

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express these things to him I don't know if arop did that with Pope Francis yes
no no confucious he say um not to talk to a wise man is to waste your
man to talk to a fool is to is to waste your
time A wise man wastes neither his man nor his
time I'm afraid time spent on trying to SP to persuade Pope Francis would be
time completely wasted do you do you see Pope Francis
like you mentioned how you see rat singer that he has a he has sort of a
good heart but he's more or less misguided from his I don't think he has
the I don't think he has the good heart that that that Joseph rater had

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no I think he's he's much more Sinister than Joseph
ratzinger I think I think God knows I can't read Hearts like God can
obviously um God reads Hearts man looks upon scripture says man
looks on the face God looks on the heart
God Can Read Hearts like nobody else can because he's inside everybody and and
he's God so I can't read Francis heart but I don't think that
he's got the good faith of which there was still a serious Trace in Joseph rat
I don't think he has that good faith I don't think God knows I don't I
can only think I can only have an opinion I think he's in bad
faith I think I'm but I I'm not inclined to judge because I can't know

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well your Excellency I I very much appreciate uh all of the generosity that
you have uh given with your time um is there anything else that you would like
to let everybody know I think there are uh 360 people watching right now um
and many more thousand will watch the the reply so is there anything you would
you would like us to um focus on in the coming days yes the
rosary the rosary sister Lucy before she was
replaced by some dummy at the end of the 19 towards the end of the
1950s she had an interview which is probably the reason why she was replaced
or a good part of the reason why she was replaced she had an interview in which
she said uh in modern times God has given a special part of the Rosary

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and it the rosary can solve all problems the rosary is our lady our lady is
nobody is closer to almighty God or closer to to knowing him or to loving
him than she and she is filled with Divine wisdom by
herself she knows where the real problems are she knows that it's a
question of the war on God that modern man is waging these things she knows and
she is best placed to make use of prayer and direct put it in the right places
where it will have the most effect uh she keeps asking for the
rosary I think in every single one of the six apparitions of Fatima uh in 1917
she asked for the rosary she I think she always had a Rosary in her hands when
she appeared to the three children um the rosary has a power which God Alone

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can give it and which God gives to no other
prayer obviously attending mass is the greatest prayer of all but Mass depends
upon a priest to celebrate and so on and so on anybody if anybody's got 10
fingers on their two hands they can pray the
rosary it's very powerful and the world today absolutely needs prayer if anybody
is able to moderate the effects of the huge kick in the backside which mankind
is going to receive and which it absolutely needs if anybody can moderate
those effects and make it easier for poor mankind it's she and what she asks
for is the rosary if anybody comes to realize that the modern world is in real
trouble real trouble because God is Not mocked and they are mocking God look at

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the opening and closing ceremonies of the just recent Paris Olympic Games look
at the opening of that tunnel between Switzerland and
Italy it's a mockery of God he's being mocked in public and
seriously like like the parody of the Last Supper um modern the modern world is
Godless it's so Godless that it's almost incapable of realizing that it's
insulting God which has brought us it's refusing God it's being it centes in
centes of slowly and steadily kicking out God to replace him with man to make
man into God the centuries and centuries of that which has brought us to this
this situation where we are today nobody understands that situation better than
our lady and nobody um Can has got a better solution than the
prayer of the Rosary which goes through through her straight to her

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son nobody has more power over her son than she has nobody's better placed to
obtain his Mercy in instead of his Justice the justice is hanging over our
heads you see that um the picture behind the two of us there with the lady who
represents justice swinging a big sword if the sword comes down a lot of heads
are going to fly uh and she has two two Angel servants on
either side by the look of it um yes your Excellency so you know um pray the
rosary pray the rosary it's simple it's too simple for the
intellectuals but but the Simplicity is a Hallmark of God and it's the prayer
that she asks for if she asked us to walk around the house three times a day
on our hand and if she promised that that is what

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would obtain the consecration of Russia that's what we would have to do she
doesn't ask anything so foolishness to walk around the CH three times a day on
our hands that's foolishness but praying the rosary is not
foolishness is prayer which goes straight to our Lord and our lady which
takes us through the history of redemption from from the Incarnation to
the coronation of our Lady In Heaven it frames our Lord between the joyful
mysteries in which our lady is heavily involved and the Glorious Mysteries in
which she is also involved but she doesn't appear so much in the passion of
Our Lord the center is the passion of Our Lord the rosary forget about the
mysteries of light whatever it is that's the stupid Modern Age John Paul II
trying to improve on the rosary gosh and unbalancing it three is
balanced four is unbalanced it's it's it's the modernist can't help

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monkeying who keep on trying to push snowballs into or they want to push coca
colola into the petrol or they want to push coffee into the petrol that they're
always trying false Solutions one after another our latest solution is the
rosary so let readers and and non-catholics let
non-catholics who see seriously the how just how grave the problem is you don't
have to be careful how problem how great the problem is but in order to do
anything effective about the problem then you need the Catholic solution
which is our lest solution which is the rosary so dear non-catholics pick up a
rosary and and go to one of your Catholic friends get him to explain it
to you or pick up a little leaflet there's plenty of instructions on the
internet everything is on the internet garbage and some good stuff as well
um dear dear listeners dear readers dear Watchers

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dear trash Merchants like I like like all of us we're all Sinners make no
mistake dear Sinners pick up the rosary if you want to do something effective
against the the tanks of the United States and
The Bravery of the ukrainians it's a shame the ukrainians are wasting their
bravery on such a bad cause but but you know if you don't if
you don't see clear between the Russians and ukrainians pray the rosary because
your our lady is sure to help give all the help possible to the ukrainians even
while she is make building up to her consecration of
Russia and her consecration Russ is Heaven's answer to the modern world it's
been Heaven's answer ever since the 1929 when our lady began asking for the
consecration of Russia that's my last word thank you

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your Excellency can you uh give us your blessing before we go
bened God bless you all amen thank you sure