[ 0 → 4] TrapCast Express [ 4 → 15] TrapCast Express, it's Tuesday, October 12th, 2021. [ 15 → 21] Michael Voris of the conservative Novos Ordo media operation Church Militant [ 21 → 26] released an episode of his daily commentary program The Vortex today [ 26 → 32] in which he blasts Jorge Bergoglio, whom he calls Pope Francis, [ 32 → 39] for warmly receiving in private audience the influential American politician Nancy Pelosi. [ 41 → 43] She is the Speaker of the House of Representatives [ 43 → 48] and has long been an indefatigable champion of so-called abortion rights, [ 49 → 54] including the taxpayer funding thereof and late-term abortion, [ 54 → 56] meaning the surgical dismembering, [ 56 → 59] of children in the womb just up until birth. [ 60 → 62] As the video of the meeting shows, [ 63 → 66] Francis and Pelosi are of a kindred spirit [ 66 → 69] and the two very much enjoyed each other's company. [ 70 → 72] So today, October 12th, [ 72 → 75] Voris released an episode of his Vortex program on that. [ 76 → 78] Entitled Grave Papal Sin, [ 78 → 82] he lists numerous scandals committed by his oh-so-valid Pope [ 82 → 85] and then proceeds to make clear that you [ 85 → 86] have no right to be a pope. [ 86 → 91] You have no right to question the validity of Francis' claim to being pope. [ 93 → 99] Now, that segment of his program is so full of bad and misleading argumentation [ 99 → 101] that we're going to take it apart now [ 101 → 104] and demonstrate that Voris, for all his blustering, [ 104 → 106] either doesn't know what he's talking about [ 106 → 110] or is deliberately misleading his hapless viewers. [ 111 → 115] So let's begin here at the 6 minute and 51 second mark. [ 115 → 116] None of this... [ 116 → 118] This means he isn't the pope, by the way, [ 118 → 121] and such talk among the laity is scandalous in its own right. [ 122 → 126] Okay, well, it's certainly true that grave sins in a pope's life [ 126 → 129] do not mean that he isn't the pope. [ 129 → 131] Popes can be horrific sinners, [ 131 → 134] and unfortunately, some of them have been in the past. [ 135 → 138] Pope John XII in the 10th century, for example, [ 138 → 140] was perhaps the worst of them. [ 141 → 144] However, sins against morals are one thing [ 144 → 146] and sins against the faith another. [ 146 → 149] What a pope could not do and still be pope [ 149 → 151] is cease to be a Catholic [ 151 → 155] by public heresy or apostasy, for example. [ 156 → 159] Now, if anyone says that Francis isn't the pope [ 159 → 160] because he's a terrible sinner, [ 161 → 163] then that is a bad argument indeed [ 163 → 165] that should be rejected. [ 166 → 169] However, usually people conclude that Francis is not the pope [ 169 → 173] because he is manifestly not a Catholic [ 173 → 176] and therefore he cannot be the head of the church. [ 176 → 177] He cannot be the head of the Catholic Church [ 177 → 180] because he's not even a member of the church. [ 181 → 183] Or they conclude he isn't the pope [ 183 → 187] because he does things in the exercise of his putative office [ 187 → 190] that a true pope is divinely prevented, [ 191 → 193] divinely protected from doing. [ 194 → 198] For example, teaching that unrepentant adulterers [ 198 → 200] are permitted to receive Holy Communion [ 200 → 205] or teaching that Martin Luther was right about justification. [ 205 → 206] Okay? [ 206 → 208] Let's go back to Michael Voris. [ 208 → 211] Not a single cardinal in that 2013 conclave [ 211 → 213] has come out and said the election was rigged [ 213 → 216] and that Bergoglio isn't the pope, [ 216 → 218] that he is in fact an anti-pope. [ 218 → 219] Never heard that. [ 220 → 223] If he is, a future pope can declare that [ 223 → 225] when Jorge Bergoglio will no longer be a pope. [ 226 → 228] But if the very men gathering conclave [ 228 → 230] haven't made that public accusation, [ 231 → 233] anyone who is suggesting that, [ 233 → 235] better take into account that they too [ 235 → 236] will have to give an account to the church. [ 236 → 239] An account of themselves to Almighty God when they die. [ 239 → 242] Okay, so here Voris is operating on the assumption, [ 243 → 244] completely unjustified, [ 244 → 248] that the only reason why Bergoglio [ 248 → 250] could not be a valid pope [ 250 → 253] is that his election in conclave was rigged. [ 254 → 256] Well, of course, that's utter nonsense. [ 257 → 259] In fact, a strong case can be made [ 259 → 262] that a man who is chosen through a rigged election [ 262 → 266] and then peacefully accepted and adhered to, [ 266 → 268] by the entire church as pope, [ 269 → 271] is a valid pope, [ 271 → 274] even though his election was fraudulent. [ 274 → 275] Because otherwise, [ 276 → 278] the church would never have any certainty [ 278 → 282] that the man they accept as pope actually is. [ 283 → 285] After all, conclaves are secret [ 285 → 288] and the church would have no way of knowing [ 288 → 289] how an election came about. [ 289 → 291] So you would be in perpetual doubt [ 291 → 296] as to whether or not the pope is the pope. [ 296 → 300] In any case, notice that Voris doesn't prove [ 300 → 301] his unspoken premise [ 301 → 304] that Bergoglio's possible invalidity [ 304 → 307] would have to depend on a rigged election. [ 308 → 310] He simply hopes you will accept it. [ 311 → 313] But where there is no proof, [ 313 → 315] there is nothing for us to disprove. [ 315 → 317] So we can just skip to his next argument, [ 318 → 321] which is that a future pope would have to declare [ 321 → 324] that Francis wasn't a valid pope [ 324 → 326] and only then could we say that he was a valid pope. [ 326 → 328] and only then could we say that he wasn't a valid pope. [ 328 → 331] But though that sounds really good on the surface, [ 331 → 335] the idea collapses once you really think about it. [ 335 → 337] Because, first of all, [ 337 → 339] why does it have to be a future pope? [ 340 → 341] Why not the current one? [ 342 → 344] Voris believes Francis is pope, [ 344 → 346] so what does he need a future pope for? [ 347 → 351] Francis himself is right now telling everyone [ 351 → 353] that he is the pope. [ 353 → 356] Now that declaration, that judgment, [ 356 → 358] is either right or it's wrong. [ 359 → 363] But it does no good to say that a future pope can overturn it. [ 363 → 367] For what happens if an even later pope [ 367 → 370] then overturns the judgment of that future pope? [ 371 → 374] Maybe the future pope is the invalid one, right? [ 375 → 376] So where does this lead? [ 376 → 377] It solves nothing. [ 379 → 382] Besides, couldn't people simply resist [ 382 → 384] what that future pope determines? [ 384 → 386] Just like Voris resists, [ 386 → 390] Francis falls in dangerous teachings and judgments today? [ 391 → 393] Besides, in 1885, [ 394 → 397] Pope Leo XIII forbade Catholics [ 397 → 400] from appealing to a future pope. [ 400 → 402] Here's what he said, quote, [ 402 → 404] It is to give proof of a submission [ 404 → 406] which is far from sincere, [ 406 → 408] to set up some kind of opposition [ 408 → 410] between one pontiff and another. [ 411 → 414] Those who, faced with two differing directives, [ 414 → 416] reject the present one, [ 416 → 417] to hold to the past, [ 418 → 420] are not giving proof of obedience [ 420 → 422] to the authority which has the right [ 422 → 423] and duty to guide them. [ 424 → 426] And in some ways, they resemble those [ 426 → 428] who, on receiving a condemnation, [ 428 → 431] would wish to appeal to a future council [ 431 → 434] or to a pope who is better informed. [ 435 → 435] Unquote. [ 436 → 438] And that is from Pope Leo's letter [ 438 → 441] Epistolatua to the Archbishop of Paris [ 441 → 444] on June 17th, 1885. [ 444 → 446] Let's go back to Michael Voris. [ 446 → 450] Such talk adds to the scandal of the little ones, [ 450 → 452] the simple, even potential converts, [ 453 → 456] who, when they hear big-mouth Catholics on social media [ 456 → 457] saying he's not really the pope, [ 458 → 460] they draw back from approaching the church. [ 461 → 463] Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. [ 463 → 466] If people are told that the blaspheming communist [ 466 → 469] and Pachamama-worshipping apostate Bergoglio, [ 469 → 471] Mr. Who-Am-I-The-Judge, [ 471 → 474] and adultery is sometimes willed by God, [ 474 → 478] isn't actually the pope with the unfailing faith [ 478 → 481] guaranteed by Christ himself to his vicar, [ 481 → 484] that's going to keep people from embracing Catholicism. [ 485 → 485] Got it. [ 486 → 488] Do any of us desire to stand in front of our blessed Lord [ 488 → 490] as the supreme judge [ 490 → 493] and explain why, in our desire for more cliques, [ 493 → 495] we drove people away from the church [ 495 → 498] by planting serious doubts in their minds? [ 498 → 502] So now he comes up with a totally gratuitous accusation [ 502 → 504] that people who say Francis [ 504 → 505] isn't the pope [ 505 → 507] are doing it for cliques. [ 508 → 509] Well, Mr. Voris, let me tell you, [ 510 → 512] if there's one thing that doesn't generate a lot of cliques, [ 513 → 516] it's preaching that the chair of St. Peter is empty. [ 517 → 517] Okay? [ 517 → 518] It's not popular. [ 519 → 520] If you don't believe it, [ 520 → 523] I challenge you to try it sometime and find out. [ 524 → 525] And by the way, [ 525 → 529] Novos Ordo Watch does not receive any kind of money [ 529 → 530] from getting cliques. [ 530 → 530] Okay? [ 530 → 532] Not even on our videos. [ 532 → 533] On the contrary, [ 533 → 536] the more people visit Novos Ordo Watch, [ 536 → 538] the more we have to pay to our web host. [ 539 → 540] Just saying. [ 540 → 541] Up until Pope Francis, [ 541 → 544] Catholics worldwide had only experienced a few decades [ 544 → 547] of seeing and hearing the pope in any regular fashion, [ 547 → 550] owing to the dramatic papacy of Pope St. John Paul II. [ 550 → 552] Before his election in 1978, [ 552 → 555] most Catholics just didn't pay all that much attention [ 555 → 556] to whoever the pope was. [ 556 → 558] Heck, it was only a little more than 100 years ago [ 558 → 560] that anyone ever even saw the pope, [ 560 → 562] owing to the advent of mass communication. [ 562 → 564] And your point, sir? [ 565 → 566] But John Paul changed all that. [ 567 → 568] Appearing on the world stage, [ 568 → 570] colliding with mass media, [ 570 → 574] now the papacy is an integral part of the world tapestry. [ 574 → 576] And zillions of Catholics [ 576 → 579] have a very bad understanding of the situation. [ 580 → 582] They tend to believe if the pope says something, [ 582 → 583] anything, [ 583 → 584] it's from God, [ 584 → 586] or even more naive, [ 586 → 587] that whoever the pope is [ 587 → 590] was handpicked by God the Holy Spirit. [ 590 → 591] You know, [ 591 → 594] there are a lot of things wrong with our world today, [ 594 → 598] but I don't think millions upon millions of people [ 598 → 601] falsely believing that when a pope says something, [ 602 → 603] it's from God, [ 603 → 605] is one of those problems. [ 605 → 607] In our times, of course, [ 607 → 609] we're not even talking about a real pope, [ 609 → 614] but an anti-pope most people mistakenly believe to be a true pope. [ 615 → 618] But yeah, I think most Novus Ordo people [ 618 → 619] don't give a hoot [ 619 → 620] what anyone in their church believes. [ 621 → 621] Church says. [ 622 → 624] Michael Voris is in Fantasyland, [ 625 → 626] Church Disneyland. [ 626 → 629] Pope Francis seems to be solidifying the idea [ 629 → 630] every passing day [ 630 → 633] that he was not the pope heaven desired, [ 633 → 635] but he is still the pope. [ 635 → 637] And while he is on the throne of St. Peter, [ 638 → 641] no one on earth has the authority to unseat him, [ 641 → 643] and certainly not YouTube Catholics. [ 644 → 645] Yeah, like himself, right? [ 646 → 648] Look, it is certainly true [ 648 → 650] that no one can unseat or depose [ 651 → 652] a valid pope. [ 653 → 655] But that's the whole point at issue. [ 656 → 657] Is Francis a valid pope? [ 658 → 660] Voris simply assumes it. [ 661 → 663] But an assumption is not an argument. [ 663 → 666] Again, the cardinals in conclave who elected him [ 666 → 667] have not made that claim, [ 667 → 669] so how dare anyone else? [ 669 → 672] Well, you know, the cardinals of the conclave [ 672 → 674] can't depose a valid pope either. [ 675 → 676] A pope gets his designation, [ 677 → 678] but not the papacy, [ 678 → 680] from the cardinal electors. [ 680 → 680] The pope gets his designation, [ 680 → 680] from the cardinal electors. [ 680 → 683] The papacy comes from God. [ 684 → 686] And Jorge Bergoglio, Francis, [ 686 → 688] proves time and again [ 688 → 691] that he didn't receive the papacy at all. [ 692 → 693] Because if he had, [ 694 → 697] he would be unable to exercise his magisterium [ 697 → 698] the way he does, [ 698 → 699] filled with heresies [ 700 → 702] and other soul-destroying errors. [ 702 → 704] And neither would he be able to canonize [ 704 → 706] as saints' public apostates, [ 707 → 709] like John Paul II and Mother Teresa, [ 709 → 710] to mention. [ 710 → 710] to mention. [ 710 → 712] I'll mention just a few examples. [ 713 → 716] See, Voris' argumentation here [ 716 → 718] is based entirely on the juridical aspect [ 718 → 720] of the papacy. [ 720 → 723] An undisputed and therefore valid election [ 723 → 724] of Bergoglio, [ 725 → 727] and no one can unseat a pope, [ 727 → 727] so therefore. [ 728 → 730] That's basically his argument. [ 730 → 732] What he leaves out of consideration completely [ 732 → 735] is the theology of the papacy. [ 736 → 738] But it is precisely that theology [ 738 → 740] that proves that Francis, [ 740 → 741] isn't the pope. [ 742 → 743] For instance, [ 743 → 746] read the First Vatican Council's document [ 746 → 748] Pastor Aeternus, [ 748 → 750] and see if you can take [ 750 → 752] what it says about the pope [ 752 → 754] and apply it to Francis. [ 755 → 756] You won't be able to. [ 757 → 757] It's impossible. [ 758 → 761] It will result in absurdity. [ 761 → 764] And there are many other examples like that. [ 764 → 766] If you want to see what the church teaches [ 766 → 768] in her magisterial documents [ 768 → 769] about the papacy, [ 769 → 770] go to [ 770 → 773] www.novosordowatch.org [ 773 → 775] and in the menu, [ 775 → 777] click on Catholicism [ 777 → 780] and then click on the papacy. [ 780 → 783] It will give you a page filled with quotes [ 783 → 785] and links to the source documents. [ 786 → 788] So please go ahead and give it a try [ 788 → 789] if you haven't seen it already. [ 790 → 791] For example, [ 791 → 794] on March 20th, 1900, [ 794 → 797] Pope Leo XIII taught this [ 797 → 799] in an address to cardinals. [ 800 → 800] Quote, [ 800 → 803] The church has received from on high [ 803 → 806] a promise which guarantees her [ 806 → 809] against every human weakness. [ 810 → 811] What does it matter [ 811 → 813] that the helm of the symbolic bark [ 813 → 815] has been entrusted to feeble hands [ 815 → 818] when the divine pilot stands on the bridge [ 818 → 820] where, though invisible, [ 820 → 822] he is watching and ruling? [ 822 → 823] Unquote. [ 824 → 829] If a bad pope could lead the church into heresy, [ 830 → 833] it would have happened long time ago already. [ 834 → 837] And the church would not be the ark of salvation, [ 838 → 840] but a danger to souls. [ 840 → 843] The whole point of having a pope [ 843 → 845] is so that can't happen. [ 846 → 848] But Voris will have none of that. [ 849 → 851] Instead, he argues, [ 851 → 853] What we have is yet another bad pope. [ 854 → 856] This one in a more despicable way, perhaps, [ 856 → 858] than history's other bad popes. [ 858 → 860] Ah, yes, the bad pope. [ 860 → 861] The pope's argument [ 861 → 864] shot down so many times, [ 864 → 866] it just keeps coming back up. [ 866 → 869] On February 20th, 1949, [ 870 → 872] Pope Pius XII taught in an address, [ 873 → 873] Quote, [ 873 → 876] The pope has the divine promises. [ 876 → 878] Even in his human weaknesses, [ 878 → 881] he is invincible and unshakable. [ 883 → 885] He is the messenger of truth and justice, [ 885 → 888] the principle of the unity of the church. [ 889 → 890] His voice denounces, [ 890 → 891] announces errors, [ 891 → 892] idolatries, [ 893 → 893] superstitions. [ 894 → 895] He condemns iniquities. [ 896 → 899] He makes charity and virtue loved. [ 899 → 900] Unquote. [ 901 → 902] Does Francis do that? [ 903 → 905] Yeah, didn't think so. [ 906 → 911] What Pius XII and earlier Leo XIII teach [ 911 → 913] is not just so many pious words. [ 914 → 915] The history of the church [ 915 → 917] backs up the truth of that teaching. [ 918 → 919] In his 1946, [ 920 → 922] book A History of the Catholic Church, [ 922 → 923] Volume 3, [ 924 → 927] Father Fernand Mouret writes [ 927 → 929] regarding the despicably scandalous [ 929 → 931] and evil Pope John XII, [ 932 → 932] Quote, [ 933 → 936] Divine Providence watching over the church [ 936 → 939] miraculously preserved the deposit of faith [ 939 → 942] of which this young voluptuary was the guardian. [ 943 → 946] This pope's life was a monstrous scandal, [ 946 → 947] but his ballerium, [ 948 → 949] basically his magisterium, [ 950 → 951] is faultless. [ 951 → 955] We cannot sufficiently admire this prodigy. [ 956 → 958] There is not a heretic or a schismatic [ 958 → 960] who has not endeavored to legitimate [ 960 → 963] his own conduct dogmatically. [ 963 → 966] Fauchus tried to justify his pride, [ 966 → 968] Luther his sensual passions, [ 969 → 970] Calvin his cold cruelty. [ 971 → 973] Neither Sergius III, [ 973 → 974] nor John XII, [ 974 → 976] nor Benedict IX, [ 976 → 977] nor Alexander VI, [ 978 → 979] supreme pontiffs, [ 980 → 981] definers of the faith, [ 982 → 985] certain of being heard and obeyed by the whole church, [ 985 → 988] uttered from the height of their apostolic pulpit [ 988 → 992] a single word that could be an approval [ 992 → 993] of their disorders. [ 994 → 994] Unquote. [ 995 → 997] So, in summary, [ 997 → 1001] we dare say that Francis is not the pope [1001 → 1004] because otherwise we would have to say [1004 → 1006] that the papacy is false [1006 → 1008] and that would be heresy. [1008 → 1010] By the way, [1011 → 1013] Michael Voris has come a long way [1013 → 1014] since painting Francis, [1015 → 1016] against better knowledge, [1016 → 1018] as a staunch conservative. [1019 → 1019] Remember this? [1020 → 1020] Bam! [1020 → 1022] There goes yet another pope [1022 → 1024] being all Catholic and all that. [1024 → 1026] Pope Francis talks like a pope, [1026 → 1028] like the successor to Saint Peter. [1028 → 1031] All the way through the summer of 2018, [1031 → 1034] Voris blasted anyone who dared [1034 → 1036] to make the kind of public criticism [1036 → 1038] against Francis he now does [1038 → 1038] with the Pope. [1038 → 1039] With gusto. [1039 → 1043] Criticism of Francis was an absolute no-no for Voris. [1044 → 1046] He called it spiritual pornography. [1047 → 1048] And it got blatantly absurd [1048 → 1051] because Voris would continually ignore [1051 → 1054] all the scandals Francis was engaging in [1054 → 1055] as if they didn't exist [1055 → 1059] and yet would blast any other bishop or cardinal [1059 → 1061] for doing the same thing Francis did. [1062 → 1065] And that circus went on for five years. [1066 → 1068] Oh well, that was then. [1068 → 1069] This is now. [1070 → 1073] The one thing this loudmouth has been consistent in, though, [1074 → 1076] is his opposition to Sedevacantism. [1077 → 1078] Because, heaven forbid, [1078 → 1082] you should conclude that a man who cannot be pope [1082 → 1084] is not pope. [1085 → 1088] Tradcast Express is a production of Novos Ordo Watch. [1089 → 1090] Check us out at tradcast.org [1090 → 1092] and if you like what we're doing, [1092 → 1095] please consider making a tax-deductible contribution [1095 → 1098] at novosordowatch.org. 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