[ 0 → 4] Tradcast Express [ 30 → 37] On July 14th, Dr. John Joy published an article on 1 Peter 5 entitled, [ 37 → 42] The Pope is not the Church, and the Church is not the Pope. [ 43 → 50] In it, he claims that the teaching of the Pope is not, by that very fact, also the teaching of the Church. [ 50 → 51] He says, quote, [ 51 → 60] One of the common symptoms of hyper-papalism is a tendency to identify the Pope with the Church, [ 60 → 68] or to identify papal teaching with Church teaching, as if the two were entirely synonymous. Unquote. [ 68 → 73] In other words, the Church can teach one thing and the Pope another, [ 73 → 82] and so just because you're adhering to the teaching of the Pope doesn't mean you're actually in line with the teaching of the Church, see? [ 83 → 88] In fact, you might be denying Church teaching by adhering to papal teaching, [ 89 → 90] so you'd better be careful. [ 90 → 92] Be careful about listening to the Pope. [ 92 → 96] That is, essentially, what John Joy is telling us. [ 97 → 102] Now, that may be quite clever and creative, but it is absurd on its face. [ 103 → 110] Of course, there is a distinction between Pope and Church, since the Pope is not the Church itself. [ 110 → 116] But he is the visible head of the Church, and Dr. Joy acknowledges as much. [ 117 → 119] Now, it should go without saying that, [ 120 → 132] In his encyclical letter on the Church as the mystical body of Christ, [ 132 → 134] Pope Pius XII states, [ 135 → 135] Quote, [ 135 → 144] That Christ and his vicar constitute one only head is the solemn teaching of our predecessor of immortal memory, [ 145 → 149] Boniface VIII, in the apostolic letter Unam Sanctam, [ 149 → 150] and his successors, [ 150 → 153] have never ceased to repeat the same. [ 154 → 154] Unquote. [ 155 → 159] That's from the encyclical Mystici Corporis No. 40. [ 160 → 165] Now, Dr. Joy does agree that the Pope can speak for the whole Church, [ 165 → 169] but he maintains that that isn't the case most of the time. [ 170 → 171] Joy writes, quote, [ 171 → 175] When it comes to teaching and matters of faith and morals, [ 175 → 179] the Pope only speaks for the Church when he speaks ex cathedra, [ 180 → 182] and when he does that, [ 182 → 186] he does possess the full infallibility of the Church. [ 187 → 187] Unquote. [ 188 → 190] Now, that is insane. [ 191 → 196] The idea that the Pope only speaks for the Church on faith and morals [ 196 → 200] when he makes an infallible ex cathedra pronouncement. [ 200 → 206] In fact, that is implicitly contradicted by Pope Pius XII [ 206 → 208] in the encyclical Humani Generis, [ 209 → 210] paragraph 22, [ 210 → 211] quote, [ 211 → 215] Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in encyclical letters [ 215 → 218] does not of itself demand consent, [ 219 → 222] since in writing such letters the Popes do not exercise [ 222 → 226] the supreme power of their teaching authority. [ 226 → 230] For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority [ 230 → 232] of which it is true to say, [ 233 → 236] He who heareth you heareth me. [ 236 → 237] Unquote. [ 237 → 240] And that is from Luke 10.16. [ 240 → 242] And the he who heareth you heareth me. [ 243 → 244] So, in other words, [ 244 → 249] Pius XII is making clear that just because something is not infallible [ 249 → 252] doesn't mean you don't have to agree with it. [ 253 → 254] And he says very specifically [ 254 → 259] that what is taught by the Roman pontiff in his ordinary, [ 259 → 261] non-infallible magisterium [ 261 → 265] requires the faithful's assent of itself, [ 266 → 269] meaning simply because the Roman pontiff [ 269 → 271] is teaching it. [ 272 → 275] And what the Roman pontiff binds on earth [ 275 → 277] is bound in heaven, as we know. [ 278 → 280] When the Pope teaches, [ 280 → 283] it is Christ who teaches, in a sense. [ 283 → 288] So, how could it not be the teaching of the Church? [ 289 → 291] In fact, since Pius XII says [ 291 → 296] that every Catholic is required to accept papal teaching, [ 296 → 299] the papal magisterium binds [ 299 → 300] the entire Church. [ 301 → 304] Ah, but then Dr. Joy might just say [ 304 → 306] that that's just Pius XII's teaching, [ 306 → 308] not the Church's, right? [ 308 → 313] See to what chaos and absurdity his position leads. [ 313 → 315] Now, we can ask ourselves, [ 316 → 318] why is Dr. Joy doing that? [ 318 → 321] Why is he trying to maximize the distinction [ 321 → 324] between Pope and Church in that way? [ 325 → 327] Well, I don't know, of course, [ 327 → 328] but to me, [ 328 → 329] the reality, [ 329 → 330] rather obvious answer, [ 330 → 333] is that he's trying to come up with a way [ 333 → 337] to justify resistance to the magisterium of Francis [ 337 → 338] while at the same time [ 338 → 341] claiming to be loyal to the Church. [ 342 → 342] Right? [ 342 → 343] How convenient. [ 344 → 346] I'm not rejecting Church teaching, [ 346 → 347] just the teaching of the Pope. [ 348 → 349] And look, [ 350 → 351] I know this may seem like [ 351 → 354] a clever theological solution at first, [ 354 → 357] but it actually has horrific consequences. [ 358 → 358] Just think about, [ 359 → 360] what this would mean. [ 360 → 362] It would mean that at times, [ 362 → 365] a Catholic can and even must [ 365 → 367] resist and reject [ 367 → 369] the teaching of the Pope [ 369 → 372] in order to be faithful to the Church. [ 373 → 375] So, who's the faithful Catholic then? [ 376 → 378] The one who adheres to the Pope [ 378 → 380] or the one who adheres to the Church? [ 380 → 383] See, once you start thinking about it, [ 383 → 385] you can see that such a scenario [ 385 → 387] would rip the Church apart. [ 388 → 388] The Pope would no longer, [ 388 → 390] be the principle of unity, [ 391 → 393] but the principle of chaos. [ 394 → 396] But this is what you get [ 396 → 398] when you accept the false Popes [ 398 → 400] since Vatican II as true Popes. [ 400 → 403] You have to twist yourself into a pretzel, [ 404 → 405] trying to explain what you see, [ 406 → 409] and you end up with heaps of contradictions. [ 410 → 411] Not mystery simply, [ 411 → 412] as in Sedevacantism, [ 413 → 414] but contradictions. [ 415 → 418] Joy's position puts the Church above the Pope, [ 418 → 419] in a way, [ 420 → 422] as if the Church could overrule the Pope, [ 422 → 423] so to speak. [ 423 → 425] And that is a typical trait [ 426 → 428] of the heresy of Gallicanism. [ 429 → 432] In 1870, the First Vatican Council taught, [ 433 → 433] quote, [ 434 → 437] Therefore, they stray from the straight path of truth [ 438 → 441] who affirm that it is permitted to appeal [ 441 → 443] from the judgments of the Roman Pontiffs [ 444 → 446] to an ecumenical council [ 446 → 448] as to an authority higher [ 448 → 449] than the Roman Pontiff. [ 450 → 451] Unquote. [ 451 → 452] That's Denzinger, 1830. [ 453 → 456] So, one reason why papal teaching [ 456 → 458] is Church teaching [ 458 → 461] is that the Pope teaches the whole Church. [ 462 → 463] He, as the Rock, [ 464 → 465] is in fact the foundation [ 465 → 469] and principle of unity and stability [ 469 → 470] for the whole Church. [ 471 → 474] Of course, the Pope isn't always [ 474 → 476] speaking as the head of the Church. [ 476 → 477] He can also speak [ 477 → 479] as a private theologian, [ 479 → 481] as Pope John XXII was doing [ 481 → 483] when he defended his erroneous position [ 483 → 485] on the beatific vision [ 485 → 487] in a series of sermons [ 487 → 489] in the 14th century. [ 489 → 491] But when the Pope [ 491 → 493] exercises his magisterium, [ 493 → 495] even the non-infallible kind, [ 495 → 497] then his teaching [ 497 → 499] is Church teaching. [ 499 → 501] And don't think I'm making it up. [ 501 → 503] The First Vatican Council [ 503 → 505] quotes the Council of Florence [ 505 → 507] of the 15th century, [ 507 → 509] with these words, [ 509 → 510] quote, [ 510 → 512] The Pontiff of Rome himself [ 512 → 515] is the successor of the blessed Peter, [ 515 → 517] the chief of the Apostles, [ 517 → 519] and is the true vicar of Christ [ 519 → 522] and head of the whole Church and faith, [ 522 → 525] and teacher of all Christians. [ 525 → 526] Unquote. [ 526 → 528] That's Denzinger, 1826. [ 529 → 531] It is very specifically [ 531 → 533] the Pope himself [ 533 → 535] who is the teacher of all Christians, [ 535 → 537] not simply the Church, [ 537 → 539] as a whole. [ 539 → 541] In fact, as we just said, [ 541 → 544] the Pope teaches the Church. [ 544 → 546] The Church of Rome, [ 546 → 548] the Diocese of Rome, [ 548 → 550] of which the Pope is the chief bishop, [ 550 → 552] teaches the churches [ 552 → 554] of all the other dioceses [ 554 → 556] throughout the world [ 556 → 558] that are in communion with the Pope. [ 558 → 560] That is how it works. [ 560 → 562] Vatican I says very clearly [ 562 → 564] that all Catholics [ 564 → 566] must render to the Roman see, [ 566 → 567] quote, [ 567 → 569] hierarchical subordination [ 569 → 571] and true obedience, [ 571 → 573] not only in things which pertain [ 573 → 575] to faith and morals, [ 575 → 577] but also in those which pertain [ 577 → 579] to the discipline and government [ 579 → 580] of the Church, [ 580 → 582] which is spread over the whole world, [ 582 → 584] so that the Church of Christ, [ 584 → 588] protected not only by the Roman Pontiff, [ 588 → 591] but by the unity of communion [ 591 → 593] as well as of the profession [ 593 → 594] of the same faith, [ 594 → 595] is one flock, [ 595 → 599] under the one highest shepherd. [ 599 → 600] Unquote. [ 600 → 603] It's Denzinger 1827. [ 603 → 605] And a little bit later, [ 605 → 606] the same Council says, [ 606 → 607] quote, [ 607 → 609] Furthermore, it follows [ 609 → 611] that from that supreme power [ 611 → 613] of the Roman Pontiff, [ 613 → 615] of ruling the universal Church, [ 615 → 617] the same has the right [ 617 → 619] in the exercise of this duty [ 619 → 620] of his office, [ 620 → 622] of communicating freely [ 622 → 624] with the pastors and flocks [ 624 → 625] of the whole Church, [ 625 → 628] so that the same can be taught [ 628 → 630] and guided by him [ 630 → 632] in the way of salvation. [ 632 → 633] Unquote. [ 633 → 635] Denzinger 1829. [ 635 → 637] So clearly, [ 637 → 640] the Pope teaches the Church. [ 640 → 643] And how could it be otherwise? [ 643 → 646] Are the bishops going to teach the Pope? [ 646 → 648] And how is that going to work? [ 648 → 650] Imagine the bishops of Austria [ 650 → 652] rebuking the Pope [ 652 → 653] for teaching error, [ 653 → 655] but then the bishops of Malaysia [ 655 → 657] coming to his defense. [ 657 → 659] And then the bishops of Brazil [ 659 → 660] signaling they're not sure [ 660 → 661] about the matter, [ 661 → 662] so maybe we should pull in [ 662 → 664] the bishops of France. [ 664 → 666] But then the Belgians complaining [ 666 → 667] that the French don't know [ 667 → 668] what they're talking about [ 668 → 669] and that we should give the benefit [ 669 → 671] of the doubt to the Pope. [ 671 → 675] Just imagine the utter chaos. [ 675 → 677] You know, it's so easy [ 677 → 678] to stand there and say, [ 678 → 681] well, the Pope is not always infallible. [ 681 → 682] Well, yeah, that's true. [ 682 → 685] But neither are the bishops. [ 685 → 688] And the Pope is always [ 688 → 690] the divinely appointed teacher [ 690 → 692] to whom all Catholics [ 692 → 695] are obliged to listen. [ 695 → 697] In his 1890 encyclical [ 697 → 700] Sapientiae Christianae, [ 700 → 703] Pope Leo XIII calls the Pope, [ 703 → 704] quote, [ 704 → 707] the master of all that is to be believed [ 707 → 709] and to be practiced. [ 709 → 710] Unquote. [ 710 → 711] You can find that [ 711 → 716] in Denzinger 1936c. [ 716 → 721] In an elocution of February 20th, 1903, [ 721 → 723] the same Pope Leo XIII [ 723 → 725] noted that, quote, [ 725 → 727] by God's commandment, [ 727 → 730] salvation is to be found nowhere [ 730 → 731] but in the church. [ 731 → 732] Unquote. [ 732 → 735] And then he made it more precise, [ 735 → 736] saying that, quote, [ 736 → 738] the strong and effective [ 738 → 740] instrument of salvation [ 740 → 744] is none other than the Roman pontificate. [ 744 → 746] Unquote. [ 746 → 747] And lastly, [ 747 → 751] in an address of May 10th, 1909, [ 751 → 754] Pope St. Pius X said the following, [ 754 → 755] quote, [ 755 → 757] do not let yourselves be deceived [ 757 → 760] by the subtle declarations of others [ 760 → 762] who do not cease to pretend [ 762 → 764] that they wish to be with the church, [ 764 → 766] to love the church, [ 766 → 767] to fight for her [ 767 → 769] so that she will not lose the masses, [ 769 → 771] to work for the church [ 771 → 773] so that she will come to understand the times [ 773 → 775] and so to win back the people [ 775 → 777] and attach them to herself. [ 777 → 780] Judge these men according to their works. [ 780 → 782] If they maltreat and despise [ 782 → 784] the ministers of the church [ 784 → 786] and even the Pope, [ 786 → 788] if they try by every means [ 788 → 790] to minimize their authority, [ 790 → 792] to evade their direction [ 792 → 794] and to disregard their counsels, [ 794 → 796] if they do not fear [ 796 → 798] to raise the standard of rebellion, [ 798 → 802] what church are these men speaking about? [ 802 → 805] Not certainly of that church [ 805 → 807] established upon the foundation [ 807 → 810] of the apostles and prophets, [ 810 → 812] Jesus Christ himself [ 812 → 814] being the chief cornerstone. [ 814 → 816] Unquote. [ 816 → 818] But there we go again, [ 818 → 822] quoting merely the teaching of popes [ 822 → 825] and not of the church. [ 825 → 827] Let us pray and hope [ 827 → 829] that the semi-traditionalists [ 829 → 831] will come to recognize [ 831 → 834] that what they've been deriding as hyper-papalism [ 834 → 836] is, for the most part, [ 836 → 839] really just the traditional Catholic teaching [ 839 → 841] on the papacy. [ 841 → 844] The problem is not with the papacy. [ 844 → 846] The problem is [ 846 → 849] that the man who currently claims to be pope [ 849 → 851] isn't one. [ 851 → 855] Tradcast Express is a production of Novus Ordo Watch. [ 855 → 857] Check us out at Tradcast.org [ 857 → 859] and if you like what we're doing, [ 859 → 862] please consider making a tax-deductible contribution [ 862 → 864] at NovusOrdoWatch.org [ 864 → 866] slash donate.