00:00
and now coming to you from an undisclosed location it's the Novus Ordo
watch trap cast you can't make the stuff up

00:01
reveal to the faithful the wolves which are demolishing the Lord's vineyard
words dear listeners of Pope Clement the 13th in 1766 from his encyclical
Christian a rape oubli che and that is what we're all about here we reveal the
wolves that are demolishing the Lord's vineyard welcome greetings in Christ to
you whoever you are wherever you are welcome to this unique podcast produced
by Novus Ordo watch so here we are trapped cast episode
number nine a lot has happened since our last episode which was published in
mid-september but unfortunately we're going to have to skip over most of it

00:02
because at this point we simply don't have the time or the resources to
comment on at all so we just try to focus on the most important things in
our track casts here now before we really get into this first segment two
quick announcements we don't want to forget first our annual Novus ogre
contest is about to begin okay it will run from December first through the 31st
and you will find a link to that on our Novus Ordo wire blog come December first
as every year we will present a few candidates from the modernist sect that
made some special contribution to the apostasy in the past year and you get to
vote on who you think was the worst one okay so whoever you think that the most
damage who did the most to undermine Catholicism under the guise of

00:03
Catholicism and I'm sorry but no Pope Francis is not going to be one of the
available choices because we always exclude the currently raining antipope
because he's obviously the most influential theological gravedigger so
he'd win every time and there'd be no point to the contest okay anyway look
for the Novus ogre award contest come December first on our Novus Ordo wire
blog and tell your friends and family about it okay and your local Novus Ordo
pastor of course that's always a hoot ah secondly the second announcement we
don't want to miss you've probably heard about the year of Mercy Francis has
called to begin on December eighth of this year and we thought about whether
there's anything Novus Ordo watch can do to put things in perspective a bit and
so we've decided to have our own Jubilee year right here on our website and it

00:04
will run concurrently with that of Francis meaning it will begin on Tuesday
December eighth and end on sunday November 20th 2016 it will not however
be a year of mercy instead we figured that what this world really needs is the
exact opposite so we're going to have a year of exclusion judgment and
condemnation alright so that will start on December eighth and you will see that
too on the Novus Ordo wire alright now that we've got that out of the way let's
get down to business okay so where are we of course the big event last month
was the Senate the so-called scented on the family which was essentially a
tumultuous gathering of I don't know how many hundreds of bogus or no bishops
that ended up producing a document that used a lot of words to say very little

00:05
okay as usual so everybody is now waiting for Francis to release his big
post Sentinel excitation which will probably contain his official decision
on what to do with those few adulterers in a sect who still didn't manage to get
an oval sort of annulment but want to receive Holy Communion anyway of course
while continuing to engage in adulterers relations not that holy communion is
valid in the new church but that's beside the point because they all
believe it is well those who even believe in Holy Communion in the real
presence and the Holy Eucharist over there not sure how many that is anymore
anyway that's where we're at with that and you know it's funny but whenever
there is controversy about some sexual issue you know something about involving
abortion or divorce and remarriage or unnatural acts or whatever then
conservatives in the novus ordo they're all up in arms and threatened to walk

00:06
out and start a Scism and so on but when it's about something non-sexual like
like for example when Cardinal Gerhardt Miller or Pope Benedict 16th deny the
bodily resurrect Shin of Christ then no one gives a hoot
you know it's really bizarre and in recent months we've seen Novus Ordo
adherents on the internet getting all bent out of shape over an alleged
irregularity in the last Conclave you know about whether they voted one time
too many or not on a given day and all of a sudden people are suspecting
Francis might not be a real pope you know but when you point out that the guy
believes the Mosaic Covenant is still valid and suffices for today's Jews for
salvation no one thinks much of it it's crazy it's really crazy so that's just
another thing that that we've noticed that is is just it's just really bizarre
whenever there's something sexual then it's you know oh my gosh petitions and

00:07
we're walking out and you know that kind of thing but when it's some other dogma
something that has not related to sexuality then well you know who am I to
judge and I can't can't say he's not the Pope and all that and then at the same
time you know the the if there's an irregularity in the Conclave oh my
goodness he might not be the Pope you know but you point out the demand you
know it doesn't believe in hell doesn't believe that Christ is necessary for
salvation doesn't believe that you must profess the true faith to be a member of
the church nobody cares it's bizarre anyway Oh have you heard have you heard
ladies and gentlemen there is now a new argument among novels or toes as to why
Francis isn't preaching the gospel yep someone told us about it on Facebook and
I guess at this point it's just so obvious that Francis doesn't preach the

00:08
true gospel that even though those ordos can no longer hide it so now they're
trying to explain why that is you know why is he not preaching the gospel you
know why he's not preaching the gospel according to them because everyone's
already heard it yeah yeah and they rejected it so what's the
point you know wow you really can't make this stuff up you cannot make it up if
you got paid to uh anyway speaking of Francis you know he keeps denouncing
idolatry have you noticed that yeah yeah he's always out there denouncing the
idolatry of money or the idolatry of consumerism or the idolatry of Western
freedom and just the other day was it was a new one we got a new idolatry now

00:09
the idolatry of eminence and the idolatry of habits mm-hmm yep very nice
but you know you know what did the idolatry he never denounces the idolatry
of you know idolatry like paganism like Hinduism you know where they actually
literally worship idols now that that never gets denounced that never makes
the burgh olean hit list of idolatries in fact what he does instead when he
encounters pagans in other words adherence of some heathen religion he
always encourages them in one way or another in the practice of their false
religion which by the way will lead them to hell to eternal damnation okay so in
that case we're talking about real idolatry he starts talking about their
shared values or whatever right and I mean we're talking here about people who

00:10
worship the creature instead of the Creator okay textbook idolatry don't
believe it well here's an example here's an example on a tour 28 2015 the
so-called catholic news agency published a report called prayer is the treasure
of all religions says pope let me read it to you Vatican City October 28 2015
Pope Francis marked Wednesday's anniversary of the Second Vatican
Council Steckler raishin on the relation of the church to
non-christian religions by saying the world looks to religious believers for
their ability to pray notice there's no reference here to True Religion false
religion you know true faith the false faith human faith none of that quote
prayer is our treasure to which we draw in accordance with our respective

00:11
traditions to ask for the gifts for which humanity yearns unquote he said at
his October 28th general audience at st. Peter's Square the world looks to
believers for answers in many areas the Pope said such as peace hope
environmental crisis violence committed in the name of religion and crises in
the family and the economy quote we believers have received these problems
but we have one great resource prayer and we believers pray we must pray
unquote so that's that's that's the incredible okay we believers he's
clearly putting the the true religion and the true God on the same level with
diabolical sects and so on let me continue the report reading from the
Catholic news agency pope francis's remarks came on the 50th anniversary of
the release release of Nostra atate and his general audience was focused on

00:12
inter-religious dialogue other speakers included Cardinal jean-louis tohon
president of the Pontifical Council for interreligious dialogue and Cardinal
Court co-president of the Pontifical Council for promoting christian unity
the probe extended a special welcome to those individuals and groups present in
st. Peter's Square representing other religions he cited the Second Vatican
Council as an quote extraordinary time of reflection dialogue and prayer for
renewing the Catholic Church's gaze upon
itself and on the world a reading of the signs of the times in view of an update
oriented baidu loyalty loyalty to the tradition of the church loyalty to
church tradition and loyalty to the history of men and women in our
times unquote whatever Pope Francis recalled the various inter-religious
initiatives and events that have sprung up in the years following in Austria

00:13
today's release he noted in particular the inter-religious encounter in a cz in
1986 the fruit of a meeting between st. John Paul the second and a group of
young Muslims in Casablanca a year earlier quote the flame ignited in a cz
has spread around the world and is a permanent sign of hope unquote he said
Pope Francis made particular mention of the transformation in the relationship
between Christians and Jews which has come about over the last 50 years quote
indifference and opposition have turned into collaboration and goodwill from
enemies and strangers we have become friends and brothers unquote no sir i
tatti led the way in saying yes to rediscovering Christianity's Jewish
roots haha and no to every form of anti-semitism there's your bi-weekly
condemnation of anti-semitism while condemning every insult discrimination

00:14
and persecution which comes with it the Pope noted that Nostra Aetate a promoted
renewed relations not only with the Jewish people but also with persons of
other religions especially Muslims he cited passages from the document which
acknowledged the point of commonality between Christianity and Islam reference
to the paternity of Abraham the veneration of Jesus as prophet as
disgusting esteem for Mary yeah as well as such practices as alms giving and
fasting yeah do you know a Muslim charity in your area by the way yeah I
didn't think so the aim and condition of inter-religious dialogue is mutual
respect Pope Francis said quote respect for the right to life of others to
physical integrity to fundamental freedom namely freedom of conscience of
thought of expression and of religion unquote there are some Catholic ideas
for you Pope Francis spoke of the violence and

00:15
terrorism which has led to religion becoming the object of suspicion and
condemnation well there is always the risks of fundamentalism or extremism in
any religion he said we must nonetheless quote look at the positive values which
they live and propose in which our sources of hope unquote you can't make
this stuff up the Pope reflected on the various areas of collaboration possible
between persons of different religions serving the poor the elderly migrants
caring for creation etc quote all believers of every religion together we
can praise the Creator for having given us the Garden of the world to cultivate
and protect as a common good unquote he said and also work together to quote
combat poverty and ensure secure conditions of a dignified life for every
man and woman unquote you know what this is enough I can't read any more of this

00:16
this is a this is Francis for you ok Francis on real idolatry ok no
condemnation of idolatry when we're talking about real genuine idolatry
right so just remember that remember that because that is certainly no
accident so welcome to the fruits of Vatican 2 by the way there is a
hilarious parody out there on Vatican tues Nostra i taunted document we're
going to link to it at trad cast dot org for this episode okay number nine the
the the parody document is about ten years old but if you haven't seen it yet
you've you've got to read it you'll you'll laugh yourself silly because it
is so spot-on it's called Nostra Aetate a part to the church's relationship to

00:17
Satan yes to Satan it's a it's a it's a it's a really well done spoof on well
nice try but even just Vatican to language and
Vatican to theology in general and and as you read it as you laugh always
remember that that is the reason why it's so funny right because it is
basically how Vatican to theology works so you'll have a blast with that anyway
speaking of idolatry and judges staying on this topic for for just another few
more minutes we are also providing on our trap cast show page a link to the
Vatican's web page for the so called Pontifical Council for interreligious
dialogue they publish their the messages that they send to various pagan

00:18
religions on the occasions of their feasts such as the end o feast Deepavali
the Buddhist Vesak and and whatnot so I mean you've really got to read the stuff
sometime okay just to see what junk it is so make sure you click on that will
also link a video of a dialogue between the Novus Ordo Bishop John Wester of
salt lake city utah at the time and his dialogue partner i can't remember his
name now is some some Protestant turned Buddhist whose claim to fame is that he
once walked I think 200 miles or so in increments of three steps and then a bow
yeah and he did that for peace i think it was back in around 1979 yep three

00:19
steps and a bow for peace yeah didn't work out too well did it so we'll have
that video linked for you anyway the point is all this inter-religious
dialogue stuff has absolutely nothing to
do with preaching the gospel of the Lord
Jesus Christ apart from whom there is no salvation a Lord said very clearly I am
the way and the truth and the life no man cometh to the Father
but by me that's John 14 6 and st. Paul reminded the tes alone ians how you turn
to God from idols to serve the living and true God that's first s alone ians
19 and st. John the Evangelist for example ends his first letter with these

00:20
words little children keep yourselves from idols amen that's first John 5 21
let the sink in for some time and then just realize how far they have drifted
from the Gospel for example what it Cardinal so called Cardinal Peter
Turkson do recently he participated in a Hindu ceremony which praised Krishna in
a Novus Ordo Church in New York City now Turkson is the head of the Vatican's
Pontifical Council for justice and peace
will have that article linked for you in the video of the actual idolatry that
took place there it's unbelievable fact is there is simply no Catholicism left

00:21
in the Vatican to church none okay everything is about blah blah better
world mutual respect tolerance dignity in religious cooperation all that stuff
they have completely forsaken the gospel the only idols they still denounce are
metaphorical idols like money consumerism and so forth but when it
comes to the idolatry of idolatry nothing but silence and even acceptance
and encouragement even to the point of where they themselves worship the idols
of course the biggest promoter of all that was there st. Pope John Paul the
second first John 43 says and every spirit that dissolve a--the Jesus is not

00:22
of God and this is Antichrist we've got to take a break track cast are you
interested in truly Catholic radio programming one that addresses not only
the current crisis in the church in world but also discusses literature art
doctrine spirituality and current events then tune into member supported
restoration radio at WWE Esther Asian radio network org restoration radio the

00:23
network for the thinking cap if you're looking for EWTN this ain't it tragg cast
yeah we're definitely not EWTN here in case you didn't notice yet this is track
casts a podcast produced by Novus Ordo watch where we're not more Catholic than
the Pope just more Catholic than the antipope all right now this second
segment is going to be really really cool we're going to begin a commentary
on end refutation of Eric gujju skis trapkat night radio program that aired
on October 25 2015 called said of accont ISM Fatima and masonry with special

00:24
guest john salsa it was a two-hour program essentially an interview of mr.
salsa by Erica juice key and most of the time was spent talking about said of
accont ism so what we're going to do here now is play for you some excerpts
from that audio of focusing on the highlights that we will then comment on
and refute before we begin a quick word about the two individuals in question we
certainly don't want to make this about them personally because ultimately what
matters is the arguments they have but since these arguments are advanced by
people and since no error could get promoted unless there were people doing
the promoting we should also spend a few minutes on the interviewer and the
interviewee all right so Eric gujju ski is the show host he goes by trapkat

00:25
night and claims of zillion followers on Facebook Twitter and YouTube and he
likes to harbin being so influential and so super awesome and just recently
someone found out that he purchases most
of his followers and actually caught him
red-handed offering money to click farms
in Asia to boost his numbers we've got a link up in our show notes to a vid
that proves that it's pretty sad this wouldn't nearly be so bad if he didn't
constantly harp on how he is the most viewed and followed traditional Catholic
website on the internet he actually uses these fake numbers to belittle others
about how few followers they have and how insignificant they are it's totally
pharisaical and it's definitely a very worldly standard that he uses see
whether you have a lot of followers or not is no indication whatsoever of

00:26
whether you are doing God's will of whether your apostolate is pleasing to
god theological eegah juice key is a disaster in our trap cast number three
we responded to his attempt to rebut our refutation of the recognize and resist
position and you can still listen to that at tratt cast dot org episode 003
he believes that francis is not the Pope but wait for it that Benedict the 16th
is even today he also apparently believes that he is or has a good chance
of being the great Catholic monarch mentioned in Catholic end times prophecy
I'm not making this up and he claims to be the leader of the order of the Eagles

00:27
which he says is a Catholic military order that will eventually get church
approval here's a clip from his show a life of prayer prepare or not care
published on august 3rd 2015 this is at the 25-minute mark and 14 seconds take a
listen so I'm making this very clear right now behalf of our Lord our Lord
has me to do okay and I'm saying this in all humility and all charity okay
eventually what he will have me to do is to give the commands I don't take the
commands I don't take the orders I'm giving them at a certain point
people will understand that authority that has been given people might not see
it now they will see it in the future so I want to make sure that a very very
clear on that well yeah hey thanks for making a clear Eric we we appreciate

00:28
that so yeah whatever um you know what stuns me is that John salsa would
actually come on his show Saul's I must not know all this about juju ski now as
far as Francis goes salzer most definitely does not share juju skis
belief that Benedict the 16th is Pope today and so he definitely accepts
Francis as Pope he just doesn't give a flip about what Francis teachers or
legislates but we'll get into that later I'm sure so anyway who is John salsa
will quote from the introduction that is
posted on his website John salsa dot-com
you can read the full introduction there but we can only quote a few snippets so
here we go quote John salsa JD is an attorney and internationally acclaimed

00:29
Catholic apologist author and speaker mr. salsa is also a world-class expert
on freemasonry salsa was a 32nd degree mason before his reversion to the
Catholic faith salsa has been featured on the discovery channel to share his
expertise on freemasonry and secret societies and is the author of the
best-selling book masonry unmasked and insider reveals the secrets of the lodge
and why Catholics cannot be Mason's salsa is a faithful advocate of Catholic
tradition and conquering modernism in the church by restoring all things in
Christ the motto of popes in pies the 10th because modernism is the synthesis
of all heresies the church is currently suffering its greatest crisis in history
and the restoration of the church will her only when Catholics returned to the
faith as it was taught and lived before the disastrous Second Vatican Council in

00:30
addition to his many television appearances mr. salsa has been a regular
radio personality on stations throughout America he has been a featured guest on
Catholic Answers live cresta in the afternoon the voice of Catholic
tradition Sacred Heart Radio spirit catholic radio relevant radios the drew
mariani show the morning air and searching the word where he has featured
many series on Biblical apologetics and also served as program host salsa has
also had a daily apologetics program on relevant radio called relevant answers
and EWTN radio called Catholic Q & A he's a columnist for the remnant
newspaper Catholic family news the Fatima crusader and also serves as
president of apologetics for the American Catholic Lawyers Association

00:31
unquote alright that should suffice all these credentials are all the more
frightening when you realize that when it comes to the topics of the papacy and
the authority of the Catholic Magisterium salsa doesn't have the
faintest idea and if you doubt it there are two articles in particular we want
to draw your attention to one is our blog post Comedy Hour with John salsa
where we refute his bizarre ideas about the Catholic Magisterium and especially
our lengthy article the chair is still empty in which we refute two of his
articles against city of account ISM from years ago those two articles the
Comedy Hour with John salsa and the chair is still empty those two articles
show very clearly that whatever topic Saul's up may be quite competent on
state of account ISM and the papacy are not among them trap cast alright enough

00:32
of this let's get started with examining the actual subject matter before we
listen to some of the stuff argued by a juice
key and especially salsa I'd like to draw your attention to a very important
quote by father Edmund James O'Reilly who lived in the 19th century in his
book the relations of the church to society published in eighteen eighty two
O'Reilly reflected on the Great Western Scism that was that time of great
confusion in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries when two and even
three men all claimed to be the Pope of the Catholic Church all at the same time
and no one knew anymore who the true Pope was or how this whole mess could
ever be resolved so listen to these very instructive words a father O'Reilly

00:33
quote the great Scism of the West suggests to me a reflection which I take
the liberty of expressing here if this Scism had not occurred the hypothesis of
such a thing happening would appear too many comerical they would say it could
not be God would not permit the church to come into so unhappy a situation
heresies might spring up and spread and last painfully long through the fault
and to the perdition of their authors and abettors to the great distress two
of the faithful increased by actual persecution in many places where the
heretics were dominant but that the true church should remain between 30 and 40
years without a thoroughly ascertained head and representative of Christ on
earth this would not be yet it has been and we have no guarantee that it will

00:34
not be again though we may fervently hope otherwise what I would infer is
that we must not be too ready to pronounce on what God may permit we know
with absolute certainty that he will fulfill his promises not allowing
anything to occur at variance with them that he will sustain his church and
enable her to triumph over all enemies and difficulties that he will give to
each of the faithful those graces which are needed for each one service of him
and attainment of salvation as he did during the Great Schism we have been
considering and in all the sufferings and trials which the church has passed
through from the beginning we may also trust he will do a great deal more than
what he has bound himself to buy his promises we may look forward with a
cheering probability to exemption for the future from some of the troubles and

00:35
misfortunes that have befallen in the past but we or our successors and future
generations of Christians shall perhaps see stranger evils than have yet been
experienced even before the immediate approach of that great winding up of all
things on earth that will precede the day of judgment I am NOT setting up for
a prophet nor pretending to see unhappy wonders of which I have no knowledge
what whatever all I mean to convey is that contingencies regarding the church
not excluded by the divine promises cannot be regarded as practically
impossible just because they would be terrible and distressing in a very high
degree unquote so remember those folks remember this as you investigate set of
account ISM and try to figure out the nature of this terrible situation that

00:36
we've all been in since the death of pope pius the 12th in 1958 and
especially since vatican two in the 1960s you know there are a lot of people
out there who couldn't pass a single theology course and yet they're very
quick to tell you Oh God would never permit this you know as though they knew
what the infinitely wise and infinitely good God wouldn't wouldn't permit so
when you're tempted to think that God would not permit for us
not to have a pope for over 50 years remember these wise words a father
O'Reilly writing in 1880 to contingencies regarding the church that
are not strictly excluded by the divine promises cannot be regarded as
practically impossible just because they would be terrible and distressing in a
very high degree so in other words there is an infinite difference between

00:37
impossible and improbable and too often people see an obstacle and because they
don't like the difficulty that comes with it they'll say Oh God would never
allow that well the truth is that God would or could allow anything except
that which he has strictly promised won't happen that is what's impossible
and that includes that the Catholic Church should defect and become the Ark
of damnation rather than of salvation or
that the Holy See would no longer be the beacon of truth that the Roman
pontificates should fail that's what's impossible the Roman pontificate can be
vacant but it cannot fail and if Francis's Pope it has failed okay that's
it in a nutshell so with this in mind let's go ahead and listen to the first

00:38
audio excerpt it comes from roughly the 32 minute and 32-second mark from their
broadcast and salsa is talking about this new book that he has co-authored
with Robert Cisco it's going to be called true or false Pope okay and I
think it's going to be like a thousand pages or something and that is coming
out very soon we're looking forward to it we the set of our contests are
because if the past is any indication then we're going to have a field day
with it but this is the new book that's coming out and salsa is giving a preview
of what he is going to be arguing and in
the first audio excerpt that we're going to be listening to he talks about the

00:39
endorsements and the reviews the book has received from theologians take a
listen let me let me first mention that as you said we do have the book coming
out I've authored the book with Robert Cisco and each of us have about ten
years of research into this topic and we have submitted our work to some very
reputable theologians throughout the world we're going to acknowledge all of
these theologians in the book we've also received some very significant
endorsement so there are no secrets about this all right Thank You mr. salsa
everybody are you sufficiently intimidated yet he and his co-author
have ten years of research into this well it's good to know because last time
we checked mr. salsas argumentation regarding said of account ism it really
didn't show okay so we'll head you will just have to see what they would they

00:40
come up with this time but you know regarding those theologians now this is
going to be very interesting because of course these theologians are going to be
only as authoritative and reliable as sols I will claim them to be after all
any theologian who doesn't agree with his position is simply a Novus Ordo
modernist or has to come to diabolical disorientation or whatever right it's
not like salsa genuinely acknowledges any Novus Ordo theologians Authority
because he clearly doesn't acknowledge that of France's and anyone else is
lower than Francis so here already you can see it's a bunch of hogwash you're
being hoodwinked into thinking that there is some great theological
authority behind this big book of bunk the only theologians sols I could be
appealing to our clerics that are in dolt or SSPX or Novus Ordo none of which

00:41
are descent third parties to the discussion and none
of which will have any sort of independent credibility folks we're
talking here about a former 32nd degree mason and a lawyer expect him to use the
tricks of his trade let's listen to some more next oh yeah this is this is this
is going to be good next salsa talks about the church's passion take a listen
the solution is not that we don't have a pulp but the solution is is we've
touched upon the church is going through
a passion she is going through a passion just as the disciples lost faith in our
Lord during his passion so say to the contests have lost faith in the church
and the theologians teach that the sign that the Catholic Church is the true
church is because it suffers it's persecuted it's infiltrated that is a

00:42
sign that it's Christ true church and the analogy really follows you know just
as our Lord was completely disfigured in his humanity right i mean the disciples
did that recognize him anymore and many lost faith that he was the fulfillment
of God's revelation it's the same thing that has happened with those who have
lost faith in the church they've lost faith in the church because the church
too is suffering it's been brutalized it's been bit figured it disfigured it's
been to form but it's still like Christ the true church of Jesus Christ all
right boy that sounds good doesn't it yeah well you know that's all very nice
about the church undergoing a passion and in fact we say neva contests totally
agree with that the church is undergoing a passion but that's not a theological
argument at all you know the church can indeed undergo a passion but the
question is what is the nature of that passion because passion or not we know

00:43
that Catholic truth Catholic teaching doesn't suddenly become relative or get
suspended simply because some tax lawyer in Wisconsin decides that there is a
passion going on even if the Pope himself a true Pope
were to declare that the church is currently undergoing a passion this
could have no impact whatsoever on Church teaching for example you couldn't
say that because of that passion now the Catholic doctrine on submission to the
Pope is no longer valid or that the Magisterium can suddenly proclaim heresy
or anything of the kind so this whole passion argument already is a red
herring okay it's meant to distract from the real issue which is is it possible
that the Vatican to sect is the Catholic Church can its heads be true Pope's

00:44
passion or no passion so then we heard salsa say that oh just as the disciples
lost faith in Christ so the said of acontece have lost faith in the church
baloney folks this is garbage mr. salsa is putting forth here and it's meant to
appeal to your emotions not to reason because as we just said the whole
passion analogy is not a theological argument which means you cannot invoke
it to prove anything regarding the seder vacante issue you can use it to
illustrate a truth but you cannot use it to be the substitute for a theological
argument we haven't lost faith in the church at all mr. salsa it is because we
believe in the church in the true church that we reject the false Vatican to
church because by all empirical evidence you cannot identify the Novus Ordo

00:45
establishment with the Catholic Church because it is essentially different from
the Church of Pope Pius the 12th and all true Pope's before him the catholic
church cannot defect the Vatican to church clearly has defected which is why
salsa and juju ski and all those people always talk about a new religion right
therefore the Vatican to church cannot be the Catholic Church that's not a
conclusion that comes from having lost faith in the church but precisely from
adhering to that faith which tells us that the novus ordo sect cannot be the
true church no matter how undesirable or inconvenient that conclusion may be in
so many situations see one of the good things about being a set of a contest is
that you're constantly being reminded that you're not being one for a worldly

00:46
reason you know for reasons of convenience or fame or money or the
applause of the world or because you want to have it easy so that's actually
a great blessing we are said of acontece only because faith and reason compel us
to be but salsa says we lost faith in the church because she's suffering Oh
doesn't that sound just so poetic and wonderful but what's interesting is that
all the approved prophecies about our times or the end times that speak of a
suffering church always mention the Pope
as a victim never as the perpetrator the Pope is suffering he's being persecuted
he's not the one leading the persecution the Pope is always the solution he's

00:47
never the problem and you know what mr. salsa if you want a suffering church
become a set of a contest you'll find no greater example of a suffering church
than instead of account ism there is the church in the tomb appearing to be dead
she's not really dead of course because she cannot die but there are certainly
that appearance of entombment that appearance of burial it's actually an
eclipse so unlike what John salsa would have you believe he is not the one
standing by the cross suffering with a crucified Lord while
the set of a contests have fled no on the contrary we said of acontece are
weeping and wailing in front of the crucified Christ and then in front of
the Buried Christ at the tomb like on Good Friday and Holy Saturday and we say

00:48
Lord we know not how this can be we know not how this will end but we walk by
faith not by sight we believe in thee and in thine infinite power and goodness
and although we don't have the answers just like the disciples didn't on Good
Friday and Holy Saturday nevertheless we
persevere knowing that thy Word is truth and can never be made void and we
believe with all our hearts that no matter how hopeless it may seem to the
human eye thou and thy Church will triumph that is what the set of a
contest is doing Saul's on the other hand is the one running away from the
situation from this terrifying truth and instead he points to another Christ a
false Christ saying that he is the true Messiah even though he blasphemes and
hurls curses against the people even though he tramples on the doctrine of

00:49
Jesus Christ and causes able-bodied people to become cripples that is the
true analogy as Bishop Sanborn explained very well in a conference he gave in
2004 that we have the free video linked for you at Trent Cass org by saying that
the Vatican to anti popes were not true Pope's we are merely stating what is
possible it is possible that a particular individual lose the faith or
that he never had it but it is not possible that the Catholic Church become
a means of damnation which is exactly what the Vatican to church is and which
is exactly what all of these suppose a traditionalists like salsa a juice given
area ferreira all of them what they're ultimately saying that's exactly what
they're ultimately saying some of them are willing to say it outright others

00:50
won't say so explicitly but nevertheless
hold a position that ultimately leads to that conclusion so as you can see we
have a lot to say about this and we will examine a lot more from John salsa and
Erica juice key in the next few episodes
of trad casts and don't worry you're not going to have to wait very long because
we really want to try to get this wrapped up sooner rather than later so
you're not going to have to wait another four to eight weeks or so for the next
trap cast to come out so just stay tuned trap casts org Novus Ordo watch org and
you can follow us on twitter as well as on facebook and you're not going to miss
a thing you can also subscribe to our RSS feed and you'll be up to date on all

00:51
the blog posts that we publish at novus ordo watch done or slash wire all right
but for today let it be enough we're going to close and stay tuned I mean
there's a lot to look forward to thanks for listening and may God bless you you