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[Music] [Applause] hello hello we are finally back again
with a full-length episode of trap cast a traditional Catholic podcast like no
other [Music] [Applause] trap cast number 19 is where we're at
and you can count yourself lucky because you are among the point zero zero zero
zero zero one percent of humanity who actually listens to this podcast so
welcome to another episode and let's get started you've probably noticed that
things are getting more and more chaotic in the novus ordo Church and every time

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you think that it can't possibly get any worse you are quickly reminded that oh
yes it can Francis has been making it very difficult to keep up the facade that
John Paul the second and Benedict the sixteenth had put up the facade that no
matter how bad things are in the church the Pope is in charge and he's Catholic
and conservative and although he may be weak at times nevertheless he means to
do the right thing and he is at heart a real stalwart defender of Catholicism
now that's always been a mere facade in the Vatican to church but until Francis
this facade had some credibility on the surface and had the appearance of
credibility well with Francis that's over you may recall that various
commentators journalists and bloggers at first after Francis election tried the
usual spin of oh that's not what the Pope really said or oh this must have

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been a translation error or let me tell you what Francis is really up to with
all this and oh if only the Pope knew about this scandal he'd do something
about it well you know it's Francis now and so know the illusion of the pro life
pro orthodoxy liturgical hardliner Pope that is definitely over with Francis I
think that at this point the only ones left defending the men or ultra-leftist
like Blaise supa CH Austin ivory massimo fagioli and presumably the apologetics
comedians at catholic answers although even there you can see
that not everyone whom they have on their radio program or who writes with
them on occasion is on board with the idea that there is no orthodoxy problem
with Francis for example Steve Ray who is a convert
to the Novus Ordo from Protestantism and has written a book on the papacy he

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certainly expressed some opposition to Francis on his website at Catholic
- convert 'don't come and then of course you've got the Michael Voris church
Disneyland operation where every open modernist gets opposed denounced and
exposed as a heretic except Francis so that's a very clever way of dealing with
the problem by the way you know you largely just pretend that it's not there
how do people deal with the in-your-face
apostasy of Francis well as we predicted more and more in the novus ordo are
warming up to the idea that Francis isn't the Pope because Benedict the
sixteenth still is now we've been telling you for a while that this is
what's going to be the preferred option for those who want what we may want to
call a sate of accont ISM light it's so painfully obvious that Jorge bergoglio

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isn't a Catholic that they can no longer sustain the idea that the man is or
possibly could be the Vicar of Christ on earth without making the office of the
papacy completely meaningless but since they don't want to touch say about Conte
ISM with a ten-foot pole they now have a fairly comfortable
alternative to fall back on or so they think
saying that benedict xvi is the pope just seems a lot less nutty than saying
that we haven't had a pope or at least not a known Pope since Pius the 12th and
since on the surface there are some superficial circumstantial evidence
about Benedict's resignation or france's election not having been valid this is
just a very appealing option for those who want to dump francis but don't want
anything to do with sate of account ISM which makes me suspect that the whole
thing with Benedict's resignation and France's election was a setup from the
beginning the resignation with all its weird circumstances and Frances election

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with the rumors about the same Galan group allegedly trying to predetermine
the outcome of the Conclave all that is just perfect to create the ultimate
chaos in the Vatican to church and hurt as many souls as possible Franciscan
forces ultra modernist agenda on the whole church while Benedict stays in the
background to welcome all those sheep who in their confusion and disgust with
Francis are looking for a way out the problem with that is that it's a deception
you see Benedict the sixteenth is a Vatican to man through and through sure
he had some traditional externals also called sheep's clothing by the way but
on the inside it's nothing but Vatican 2 modernism the people who now flock to
Benedict the sixteenth as they're back up after realizing that Francis cannot
be Pope do not understand the nature or the gravity of the situation we're in if

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you'd like to know the facts about who Joseph Ratzinger is and what he believes
check out our website our topical page on Benedict the 16th at Novus Ordo
watch.org we'll include a link to that page in the show notes for this episode
at trap cast org you will realize that far from the antidote to modernism
Benedict the sixteenth was one of the pioneers of the whole Novus Ordo
revolution at Vatican two and he has never retracted or
change that for example consider what he said in 1982 after he had already been
appointed head of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith by John Paul the second here's what he said but presumably in reference
to the Society of st. Pius the tenth and Archbishop Marcello FF quote we are
witnesses today of a new integral ISM that may seem to support what is

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strictly Catholic but in reality corrupts it to the core it produces a
passion of suspicions the animosity of which is far from the spirit of the
gospel there is an obsession with the letter that regards the Liturgy of the
church as invalid and thus puts itself outside the church it has forgotten here
that the validity of the liturgy depends primarily not on specific words but on
the community of the church under the pretext of Catholicism the very
principle of Catholicism is denied and to a large extent custom is substituted
for truth unquote that's from his book principles of Catholic theology page 377
it was published in the original German in 1982 and released in English in 1987
by Ignatius press in the same book he also says the

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following about opposition to vatican ii quote we must be on our guard against
minimizing these movements without a doubt they represent a sectarian
zealotry that is the antithesis of catholicity we cannot resist them to
firmly unquote you can find that on pages 389 and 390
anyway enough of Joseph Ratzinger for now again if you want to find out the
truth about the men go to our Benedict the 16th page linked in the show notes
my guess is that right now his job is to keep those who are fed up with Francis
from leaving the Novus Ordo sect and embracing that have a Conte ISM
unfortunately this seems to be working because online you can find more and
more people now seriously toying with the idea that Benedict never validly
resigned and is the real Pope I realize that this is more satisfying emotionally
than having to say that we've had no known pope since 1958 but unfortunately

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it is not based on Catholic teaching or principle and so it is chaos all over
the sspx is divided the resistance sspx is divided AWT n and the Knowles Order
apologists are divided various so-called Cardinals and bishops are divided the
Fatima Center is now divided the laity are divided over and more than ever so
keep that in mind when someone tells you that ooh you say - ever contests are
just so divided yeah well you know in our case any division we have is the
necessary consequence of the truth of our position there is no Pope the
governing authority in the church is absent as far as we are empirically able
to tell so for that reason we are left to deal with anything and everything on
our own more or less that's not a disproof of satyam account ism that's

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just what the very position entails in practice disunity or disorder among the
city of arcanas goes to show how important the papacy is and how the Pope
is indeed as Catholic doctrine says the principle of unity in the church the
ultimate teacher and legislator for all Christians take that away and you will
have disunity and problems so disunity or this order and sate of account ISM is
natural and makes sense because as we maintain there is no Pope
but all those novels Ordos conservatives semi traditionalist etc who acknowledge
Francis or Benedict as Pope well they have a pope in their minds and they
still have chaos and that is the difference and it shows that in their
religion the Pope really is not the principle of unity is not the supreme
monarch and teacher of all Catholics in their religion the Pope decrees or

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teaches something and then each of the faithful decides on his own what to do
with that let me give you an example to illustrate what I mean so the 1983 Novus
Ordo code of canon law promulgated by john paul ii in 1983 with a full force
of his suppose at apostolic authority legislates that baptize non Catholics ie
Orthodox Protestants and so forth can receive Holy Communion extreme unction
and absolution and confession under certain circumstances without first
converting to Catholicism and not just in danger of death but also for some
other unspecified grave necessity that is canon 844 paragraphs 3 and 4 of Novus
Ordo canon law so john paul ii legislates this and here is how that is
received by the various factions of the oso unified Novus Ordo Church the people

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at Catholic Answers say ok great a new law is on the books will take it
and defend it then a bit to the right of counseling answers you'll have people
saying hmm oh well this law can possibly mean what you think it means it can't
mean that Protestants can receive Catholic sacraments that's not what it
means it can't then further to the right
of that you'll have people saying look I
don't understand this I I agree it looks like it's saying that Catholic
non-catholics can receive the sacraments
but look perhaps it's not right but what we really need to do here is pray for
the Pope okay let's just pray for the Pope
then to the right of that group you have people like Christopher Ferrara
the remnant columnist he would say something like off this is clearly evil

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and we have to reject it but it's not really a law because of reasons x y&z
and then to the right of that you have people like the late John denarii and
Society of st. Pius the tenth saying nope this law is evil will resist it end
of story so that's typically how centrist and
right-of-center people in the North sort of sect would respond to an evil law
that has been legislated by as opposed true Pope now what about those
left-of-center you might wonder well that's easy those to the left of
Catholic answers would say Catholic sacraments for Protestants we've been
doing that since the 60s finally the Pope's coming around and
even further left than that you'll find people saying you guys need to stop with
all that magic sacrament stuff what counts is the spiritual experience and

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all of these people ladies and gentlemen are part of the same Vatican to church
you can find all of these in the same church and why is that well at the end
of the day all of these people have one thing in common they all accept the
false popes since 1958 as valid this is what accepting manifest non Catholics as
Pope's does to you the church's unity of
faith and government has been completely destroyed and there's only a semblance
of unity assemblance that comes from everyone in all of these groups saying
that Francis or whoever is Pope but not necessarily acting like it well with all
this chaos it's not surprising that the folks at the semi traditionalist
newspaper the remnant sponsor an annual so-called Catholic identity conference

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and that is held this year from October 27th through the 29th in Weirton West
Virginia if you look at the schedule for that conference this year you see that
the speakers include the Cossack bishop Etha nation I der currently the darling
of the semi traditionalists then there are also of course Michael Matt the
of the remnant as well as Christopher Ferrara John Rao Elizabeth you're at
Penton and a number of in Dalt and SSPX priests
I can tell you right now that this identity crisis self-help conference no
matter how well intended is not going to accomplish anything and that is for
three reasons first because their ultimate standard for determining the
Catholic identity is not traditional Roman Catholic doctrine but only bits
and pieces of that doctrine as determined by their refusal to
countenance state of account ISM they simply do not use Catholic principles

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secondly because they do not allow the position they take to be determined by
the evidence rather they are selective about what evidence they will and won't
accept so as not to allow for the undesirable conclusion of state of
account ISM and third because they're trying to appeal to too broad of an
audience as to be able to come to a certain clear and truly Catholic
conclusion the remnant is always going to be wishy washy in its position in its
principles etc because they're trying to reach an audience that is too diverse
they're trying to appeal to the big tent conservative novels or toes indulge
traditionalists SSP Xers and at this point probably also those who believe
Benedict the sixteenth is the Pope so that the end result is that they will
always be tempted to promote a lowest-common-denominator position now
on September 8th the remnant released a three-minute promo video clip for their

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identity crisis conference and I'd like to say a few things about that first the
title it's called Catholics rising a major event coming soon see there we go
already with a lack of principal they say there are Catholics rising and if
you look at the video it's clear that they're rising against Francis and
basically the whole Vatican to religion so what does that mean for Francis and
his underlings are they not Catholics then and if not then why are the remnant
people why are they part of that church anyway I can't play the clip for you
because all of the text is just displayed on the screen so there's
there's no audio okay just music so I'm going to have to go through this by
reading some of the text so a few seconds into the clip a quote of Saint
Jerome appears that says quote I suppose

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the gates of hell to be the doctrines of heretics by which men are ensnared and
drawn into hell unquote now we'll get back to that in a moment
let me continue describing the video first then a bit later the following
words appear on the screen what is happening to the Catholic Church it's
becoming a new religion and then a little later still many
Catholics have had enough they want their church back their school's back
their nun's back their religious life back their priests back their mass their
rosary there are large families their buildings their reputation for chastity
and service their faith their Catholic identity and then it announces the
conference well ladies and gentlemen let's think about all this for a minute
so the video clip announces that the Catholic identity has been lost or

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stolen and needs to be recovered right they want their church their faith their
priests nuns Mass rosary and Catholic identity back they want it all back
because they don't currently have it or at least the Vatican the heart of the
church the headquarters doesn't have it anymore I mean that is the problem that
they're describing right well with that in mind let's go back to the first slide
of the clip where Saint Jerome is quoted
as saying that the gates of hell are the doctrines of heretics so if the remnant
agrees that the gates of hell are the doctrines of heretics and if the gates
of Hell cannot prevail against the Holy See
according to the promise given by Christ to Saint Peter in Matthew 16:18 then
what follows given that the Vatican has lost the Catholic identity the faith the
mass the priesthood and so forth the only possible conclusion is that Francis

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and as five predecessors are not valid Pope's the Sea of Saint Peter is vacant
I mean they can't have it both ways on the one hand say that Rome has lost the
Catholic identity so much so that it's a new religion and yet also maintain at
the same time that the gates of Hell have not prevailed now I'm sure that
there are some people listening right now we're thinking oh wait a minute
Christ said that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church not that
they wouldn't prevail against the Pope or the Holy See
but those who make such an objection have really never read Catholic teaching
on the papacy or even the gospel attentively for example here's an
excerpt from the apostolic letter in terra pox of Pope Saint Leo the ninth
quote the Holy Church built upon a rock that is Christ and upon Peter or caphis
the son of John who was first called Simon because by the gates of hell that

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is by the dispar tations of heretics which lead the vein to destruction it
would never be overcome this truth itself promises through whom are true
whatsoever things are true the gates of Hell will not prevail against it
the same son declares that he obtained the effect of this promise from the
father by prayers by saying to Peter Simon behold Satan hath desire to have
you that he may sift you as wheat but I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail
not and thou being once converted confirm thy brethren therefore will
there be anyone so foolish as to dare to regard his prayer as in any way vain
who's being willing is being able by the
seat of the chief of the Apostles namely by the Roman Church through the Saint
Peter as well as through his successors have not the comments of all the
heretics been disapproved rejected and overcome and the hearts of the Brethren

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and the faith of Peter which so far neither has failed nor up to the end
will fail been strengthened unquote that was Pope st. Leo the ninth you can read
this for yourself in den zinger 351 likewise the first Vatican Council
declared quote so this gift of truth and a never-failing faith was divinely
conferred upon Peter and his successors in this chair that they might administer
their high duty for the salvation of all that the entire flock of Christ turned
away by them from the poisonous food of error might be nourished on the
sustenance of heavenly doctrine that with the occasion of sysm removed the
whole church might be saved as one and relying on her foundation might stay
firm against the gates of hell unquote that's Vatican 1 dogmatic Constitution

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posture at Turner's den zinger 1837 see this is exactly what I meant when I said
earlier that for the semi traditionalists like the people at the
remnant their ultimate standard for determining the Catholic identity is not
traditional Roman Catholic doctrine but only bits and pieces of that doctrine as
determined by the refusal to countenance sate of account ISM
the quotes you just heard from Pope Leo the 9th and Vatican one do the semi
transit no they don't and that's exactly
why we call them semi traditionalists oh they're traditional all right but only
until that traditional Catholic doctrine conflicts with their position and it
does very much conflict with our position when it comes to doctrine
regarding the papacy the Magisterium and
the church and this is why this Catholic identity conference is doomed from the
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enjoy some good food and great company meat people have masses some valid some
not so valid but at the end of the day it will do nothing but perpetuate the
problem of the Vatican to church because all these people refuse to acknowledge
the simple truth that people who are manifest non Catholics cannot be valid
Catholic authorities and you cannot be a Catholic against the Pope and I know
people always like to bring up the argument that well well you don't have
the authority to say that Francis is an Pope you can't say that because you
don't have the authority well the problem with that objection is that it
assumes as true something that is false it assumes that it requires authority to
be able to know and point out that Francis cannot be the Pope of the
Catholic Church but that isn't true it simply does not require authority to
draw a necessary conclusion from true premises and that's all we're doing and

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look at what happens if you don't do that then you either have to say that
Francis is a Catholic which is clearly not in line with the empirical evidence
or you have to deny all sorts of teaching on the papacy like the Semite
rats do okay but neither of these is an option so the conclusion that Francis
isn't Pope is necessary and because it is necessary it is entirely certain and
so unlike what many people mistakenly think to say that Francis is not the Pope
isn't to say that the gates of Hell have prevailed it is the only way in fact to
say that the gates of Hell have not prevailed because if a man like that can
be the Pope of the Catholic Church well then what is the point of the papacy
what makes the papacy special then what would it mean for the gates of hell to

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prevail against the church in the shownotes - this track cast 19 we're
going to link a powerful article that we
published in late 2015 entitled have the gates of Hell prevailed the papacy and
SATA vikas ISM in that article we argue this matter at length explaining from
the church's own sources what the gates of Hell are and in what sense Christ has
guaranteed that they will not prevail against his church now some people have
taken the very odd stance that right now we cannot say that Francis isn't the
Pope but we will be able to say that once he refuses the formal correction
that Cardinal Raymond Burke has threatened him with for example this was
argued just recently on the blog Romo Lakota Escom in the post Benedict is
still not Pope published on September 14th the author writes quote if Francis

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is an anti Pope or a pope who has fallen
into formal heresy this will be revealed
in the formal correction process related to the Dubya this would happen at the
end of two or three warnings should Francis fail or refuse to one profess
the faith and practice of the Apostolic See and to reject those opinions and
interpretations which have contradicted it even if they had once been his own
unquote now this is a very popular idea these days but it makes no sense
whatsoever and it is not compatible with Catholic
teaching on the papacy let me explain we already know that Francis is not a
Catholic that he is a pertinacious public heretic we have over four years
of hardcore evidence and if you don't believe it
check out our topical page on Francis linked in the show notes

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it's got the whole laundry list second because we already know of his being a
non Catholic there is nothing essential that his reaction to the Dubya or some
formal correction could establish that we don't already know and third if you
take the position that Francis is the Pope right now then there is nothing and
no one no authority on earth that could take that pontificate away
from him if you want to argue that some of his underlings can propose a
correction to him such that if he refuses it he forfeits the papacy then
you are saying that these men these Cardinals or whatever that they are
superior to the Pope because only a superior could make a correction binding
on francis conscience but of course the Pope has no superior so really this
whole Dubya or formal correction business is a gigantic waste of time

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but it sure keeps people distracted doesn't it keeps them busy now if you
want to argue as we said if a con is do that you don't need a legal judgment to
know that he's not the Pope then we agree with that but then we don't need a
formal correction for that either because it is already plenty evident
that the man is not a Catholic all right let's change gears for a
little bit and look at some recent headlines and supply some hopefully
insightful commentary for example on September 16th we read the following big
headline on Canon two 12.com scholar Claudio Piron Toni Catholics now utterly
distrust the papacy official persecution of faith within the church has begun
and this headline linked to an article at 1 Peter 5 which we're going to link

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in the show notes and there you have it accepting Francis as Pope has
consequences it leads to a distrust of the papacy not just Francis of course
but any of the false Vatican 2 Pope's so you have to decide you either believe
that Francis is Pope or you believe in the papacy it's one or the other then
another reason headline is from LifeSite news.com posted on September 15th
theologian predicts how Pope Francis's teaching could be used to allow
contraception now this really struck me as odd because if there's one teaching
that virtually no one in the Vatican to church adheres to it's the prohibition
against contraception I mean even couples who would never think of divorce
and remarriage are nevertheless contracepting like there's no tomorrow

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heaven forbid you should have more than two children I mean you can't have that
and then of course you know there's also that for those few that actually do
adhere to Humanae Vitae oftentimes they you know practice a quote-unquote
natural kind of contraception the whole NFP thing but we won't get into that now
so anyway I find this concern about friends as possibly scheming to overturn
the official Novus Ordo prohibition against contraception rather silly with
amoris Laetitia Francis has already given away the store
a mores Letizia basically teaches that when God said thou shalt not commit
adultery he really meant hmm it would be ideal if you didn't commit
adultery but your particular case might be different yeah check it out paragraph
303 of amoris Laetitia and in fact if you're interested in that whole topic

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listen to our track cast episode 13 that was our amorous leticia Super Show
and it was close to two and a half hours and for that show we even released an
official transcript so you can read the show as well as listen to it and you'll
find it all at track cast dot-org but back to the headlines on September 20th
I came across this headline from Vatican insider the Pope do not listen to the
voice of those who spread hate and divisions which I thought was a rather
hateful and divisive statement but anyway also on September 20th I saw the
following tweet from Vatican journalist Edward Penton Cardinal Serra
unauthorized liturgical practices strike
discordant notes in church and produce a
noise which disturbs souls well to which I must respond well it's not just the

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unauthorized ones though it's the authorized ones as well because the new
Mass is itself the liturgical abuse all of this it is critical to understand
what the real problem is you need to get
the diagnosis right before you can think
about what the solution is unfortunately many people and many of them
well-intentioned that's that's not the issue many people fail right there at
the first step they do not correctly identify the nature of the problem and
so of course any remedies they try to apply are bound to fail and the problem
gets worse and worse and worse and that's why if you look at what has
happened since Vatican 2 everything has progressively gotten worse now some
might say no it didn't things actually got better under benedict xvi but that's
not true you see what benedict did was he distracted you with some nice

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external 's especially his some more on pontifical to keep you in the game and
while you were in a delirium over what the remnant was telling you was the
great restoration of tradition benedict humiliated christ in the synagogue in
cologne held another interfaith prayer meeting at RCZ peters obeisance to the
jews at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem perpetuated the World Youth Day frenzy
and appointed Cardinals like Reinhardt Marx Donald Wuerl francesco coco
Palmieri o Reiner welke and Louis Hegel so at best Benedict was a speed bump on
the way to hell on the lighter side a headline that appeared on September 6 at
Hollywood Reporter dot-com Jonathan Pryce to play Pope Francis in Netflix
movie now I thought that was odd because they could have just used Jorge
bergoglio I mean he's already playing Pope Francis in the real world

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oh yeah Anthony Hopkins is going to play benedict xvi that's the cannibal from
The Silence of the Lambs all right it's time for us to take a
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all right we're back now with our second segment
you are listening to trap cast episode number 19 the traditional Roman Catholic
podcast where we are not more Catholic than the Pope just more Catholic than
the anti Pope thanks for keeping me company [Music]
you know a lot of Knowles or doe Cardinals seem to have an awful lot of
time on their hands and one of those especially now is the heretical Cardinal
Gerhard Ludwig Miller until July 1st the head of the Congregation for the
destruction of the faith earlier this year Ignatius press published a book
length interview with him under the title the Cardinal Miller report an

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exclusive interview on the state of the church this is basically modeled after
the book that came out over 30 years ago in 1985 called the Ratzinger report in
which the then Cardinal Ratzinger talked at length about the state of the novus
ordo sect and that was a very popular book back then now I'd like to quote you
a few things from that book the Ratzinger report to demonstrate that so
much of the stuff we hear in the normal sort of conservative camp these days was
already said back then 30 years ago and really nothing has changed
so if you fell for it then please do not fall for it again when you hear it from
various conservative prelate s-- this time around
for example chapter 2 of the Ratzinger report is entitled a council to be
rediscovered on page 29 we read about how it is not Vatican 2 in its documents

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that are problematic but the quote manifold interpretations which have led
to many abuses in the post conciliar period unquote let's see what I mean
back in 1985 a mere 20 years after Vatican 2 ended they were already
talking about how the council had to be rediscovered well apparently it had
somehow gotten lost in those 20 years and now was time to reconnect with the
real Council then Ratzinger says it is also our fault if we have at times
provided a pretext to view Vatican 2 as a break and an abandonment of the
tradition there is instead a continuity that allows neither a return to the past
nor a flight forward neither an Akron mystic longings nor unjustified
impatience unquote sound familiar folks this is the hermeneutic of reform

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in continuity stuff that benedict xvi has been preaching he said it already as
far back as 1985 and it is now once again being sold to us as the great
solution to the vatican ii problem well then where is it where is this
continuity don't just talk about continuity demonstrate it do it live it
but they can't because it's just words these are words that are meant to do
nothing other than keep you hanging on hanging on to their false church in the
hope that somehow one day someone will show that it really is not a new
religion but the same religion as before no break just continuity and that's why
we're hearing the same stuff from back then still today thirty years after the
Ratzinger report and fifty years after vatican ii don't let them get away with

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it again they fooled us 30 years ago they can't fool us anymore and by the
way for those who think that benedict xvi brought some restoration of
tradition here's what Ratzinger said about restoration and the Ratzinger
report page 37 quote if by restoration is meant a turning back no restoration
of such kind as possible there is no going back nor is it possible to go back
unquote and then he talks about how restoration is really the search for a
new balance after certain exaggerations and yada yada yada oh and then my
personal favorite is what Ratzinger says about the Sacred Liturgy remember this
is from 1985 he says on page 125 quote it seems that certain abuses associated
with the post conciliar years are lessening it seems to me that a
reconciliation is in process and some people are becoming

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where that they went too far and too fast unquote yeah so that's what he was
saying 30 years ago and how is it looking in the novus ordo folks how's it
looking today since 1985 have the so-called liturgical abuses become more
widespread or not I say so-called liturgical abuses because you know that
if the Vatican authorities really believed that they are abuse they would
have long done everything in their power to stop them but this is just words
every so often you find some novel sort of big-shot talking tough against the
novels or the liturgical chaos but as you can see they've done that for
decades and nothing ever changes it only gets worse on the whole so as regards
the Miller report that came out earlier this year I haven't read it though I've
looked through it enough to see that I really don't care to read it and my

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advice is just do not fall again for some tough-talking bogus Cardinal acting
as though we all just hang in long enough it'll all be well again and we
just need more prayer a correct understanding of Vatican 2 and more
reverence in the liturgy folks they've been telling us the same thing for over
30 years and it's been a lie from the very beginning fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me all right before we get into our last
main topic I'd like to draw your attention to one thing that rarely gets
any coverage and that is the rational proof for the existence of God a lot of
people do not realize that the existence of God can be proved from reason alone
and that is not only a fact it is also a
dogma of the faith in other words if you do not believe that God's existence can

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be proved from reason alone then you are
not a Catholic the first Vatican Council
defined this as a dogma quote if any one shall have said that the one true God
our Creator and our cannot be known with certitude by those
things which have been made by the natural light of human reason let him be
anathema unquote and that's from the dogmatic Constitution Dave Phileas which
you can read in den zinger 1806 and the reason I want to bring this up is
because this is one of the dogmas that are most frequently denied by Novus Ordo
modernists in the Vatican for example arch Bishop Garrigan Svein the prefect
of Francis's household and also the private secretary to Benedict the
sixteenth has recently denied the start ma explicitly in December of last year
he said in an interview quote there is neither proof than God exists nor is

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there proof that God does not exist faith does not operate based on proof
faith lives by witnesses and witnessing unquote and we covered this in a blog
post at length which will happily link in the show notes so you can read about
all of that this is an important issue because the virtue of faith is defined
as the firm adherence of the intellect aided by grace to what God has revealed
because he has revealed it he who can neither lie nor be mistaken
if the existence of God could not be proved from reason then faith would not
be a virtue but idiotic and how can you firmly adhere to something revealed by
someone you don't even have any evidence
exists divine revelation could not exist
without there being a god I mean duh but

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against wine and the other novel sort of modernists deny this thus basing belief
in God on a subjective experience you know that encounter thing and in this
way they undermine all objectivity of the faith and of doctrine well it's no
accident that in 1855 the Vatican issued
a decree in which it stated quote reason can prove with certitude the
existence of God the spirituality of the soul the freedom of man faith is
posterior to Revelation meaning it comes after it and hence it cannot be
conveniently alleged to prove the existence of God to an atheist or to
prove the spirituality and the freedom of the rational soul against a follower
of naturalism and fatalism unquote and that's from den zinger 1650 so the
possibility of proving God's existence from reason is crucial and when Pope st.

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Pius the tenth put together the oath against modernism he made this one of
the very first things to which assent must be given quote first of all I
profess that God the origin and end of all things can be known with certainty
by the natural light of Reason from the created world that is from the visible
works of creation as a cause from its effects and that therefore his existence
can also be demonstrated unquote that's the oath against modernism the Motu
Proprio sacrum untii ste tomb it will have that linked for you as well and in
1923 Hopis as xi wrote in his encyclical studium Duchin quote the arguments
adduced by st. thomas aquinas to prove the existence of God and that God alone
is subsisting being itself are still today as they were in the Middle Ages
the most cogent of all arguments and clearly confirmed that dogma of the

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church which was solemnly proclaimed at the Vatican Council and succinctly
expressed by Pius the tenth unquote that's from paragraph 16 of that
encyclical so having said all this I'd like to direct your attention to a new
book recently published by Edward feasor who's a philosopher now he's a Novus
Ordo but he's pretty reliable as a philosopher because he's a toe mist and
he has done very good work against atheism his latest book is called 5
proofs of the existence of God and was published by Ignatius press and we're
linking that in the show notes the book description summarizes
the work as follows quote this book provides a detailed updated exposition
and defense of five of the historically most important but in recent years
largely neglected philosophical proofs of God's existence the Aristotelian the

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Neoplatonic the Augustinian the toh mystic and the rationalist it also
offers a thorough treatment of each of the key divine attributes unity
simplicity eternity omnipotence omniscience perfect goodness and so
forth showing that they must be possessed by the God whose existence is
demonstrated by the proofs finally it answers at length all of the objections
that have been leveled against these proofs this work provides as ambitious
and complete a defense of traditional natural theology as is currently in
print its aim is to vindicate the view of the greatest philosophers of the past
thinkers like Aristotle platanus Agustin Aquinas lightness and many others that
the existence of God can be established with certainty by way of purely rational
arguments it thereby serves as a refutation both of atheism and of the
fede ism that gives aid and comfort to atheism unquote so if you're into

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philosophy or if you're just interested in understanding how to prove the
existence of God from reason alone and refute atheism this is a book you may
want to look into because it explains all that and it addresses the most
recent challenges to theism okay now let's move on to the last big topic here
for today and that is the article Francis expands the fake Magisterium by
Christopher Ferreira at the remnant published on September
6th in that piece Ferrara blasts Francis for the infernal claptrap that is found
in his new interview book by Dominic Walton entitled Pope Francis politics in
society which was released in French on September 6th and is going to be
translated and probably show up in stores here but
for Christmas now as usual Ferrara is right on the mark with his criticism of

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the bergoglio errors utterly exhausted by the sheer apostasy and idiocy of this
man he concludes as follows quote first of all obviously we must keep the faith
in spite of bergoglio's relentless attacks upon it unquote and please let
me interject you for a second mr. Ferrara keeping the faith is great but
the problem for your position is that the faith includes Catholic teaching on
the papacy and this is a minor detail that is always conveniently forgotten if
you want to keep the faith you must keep
what the faith says about the papacy and submission to the Pope all right now
Ferrara continues quote secondly we must never for a moment acquiesce by our
silence in the man's false teaching but rather according to our station expose

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it and condemn it at every turn as soldiers of Christ and members of the
church militant lest anyone especially among our family and friends be lulled
into accepting bergoglio's errors unquote and that ladies and gentlemen is
semi traditionalist absurdity at its finest submission to the Pope
according to mr. Ferrara apparently does
not include sharing the same religion as the Pope and far from being the
guarantor of the faith the Pope for the semi trance is its greatest enemy
imposes the greatest threats against it now we have a saint and doctor of the
church who addressed this very idea of acknowledging someone as Pope while
resisting his errors and that is Saint Robert Bellarmine a theologian of the
16th and 17th centuries whom Ferrara himself likes to quote whenever he finds

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it useful to his position let's have a look at what st. Robert Bellarmine said
about this issue and again Saint Robert bellman st. and Doctor of the Church
quote the Pope is the teacher and Shepherd of the whole church thus the
whole church is so bound to hear and follow him that if he would air the
whole church would air now our adversaries respond and notice he says
adversaries our adversaries respond that the church ought to hear him so long as
he teaches correctly for God must be heard more than men on the other hand
who will judge whether the Pope has taught rightly or not for it is not for
the Sheep to judge whether the Shepherd wanders off not even and especially in
those matters which are truly doubtful nor do Christian sheep have any greater

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judge or teacher to whom they might have recourse as we showed above from the
whole church one can appeal to the Pope yet from him no one is able to appeal
therefore necessarily the whole church will err if the pontiff would err
unquote Saint Robert Bellarmine from his book on the Roman pontiff de Romano
pontiff each a book for Chapter three folks the idea that the Pope can have
his own religion that isn't the Catholic
religion and yet he is still the Pope is ludicrous he completely destroys
everything that church teaches about the
papacy as the sole guarantor of the true faith the rock which cannot crumble you
know in a recent interview bishop Athanasius Schneider pointed out that
the Pope is not the owner of Catholic truth and you know that's very true but

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he is its guarantor okay let me quote nighter for a second quote first of all
we should bear in mind that the Pope is the first servant in the church he is
the first who has to obey in an exemplary manner all the truths of the
unchanging and constant Magisterium because he is only an administrator and
an owner of the Catholic truths which he has received from all his predecessors
the Pope must never himself behave towards the constantly transmitted
truths and the discipline by referring to them as if he were an absolute
monarch saying I am the church analogously to the french king louis xiv
lathis in wha i am the state unquote actually that is
exactly what the Pope is the Pope is the church more than anyone else could be
said to be the church because the Pope enjoys the plenitude of the apostolic

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authority given by Christ all authority in the church ultimately flows from the
Pope even if all our books all our den zingers and dogmatic manuals and Sacred
Scripture and conciliar documents and all of that if all of that vanished the
church would not be without the true doctrine because she carries it within
herself and if there is one person who could just lay be said to contain all of
that in him it is the Pope and that is why Pope Pius the ninth said I am
tradition well in case you're not familiar with that anecdote he said that
during the first Vatican Council - Cardinal Filippo Gd who had said that
bishops are witnesses of tradition let me quote from Dom Cuthbert butlers the
Vatican Council published in 1962 by the

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Newman press page 355 quote witnesses of tradition said Pius there's only one
that's me unquote and sometimes this is rendered a bit differently that he said
throughout its yone that I leads yo and they saw me yo
tradition I am tradition now some you know cast doubt on whether he actually
said that but it makes perfect sense because it is true if you read the
Catholic teaching on the papacy that is what follows the Pope is tradition so
speak the source given for this anecdote is the private Journal of Bishop Felix
Dupin loop de pon Lu who attended the council anyway sorry I got off on a
tangent here let's return now to Chris Ferrara's piece against France's fake

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Magisterium quote he must be confronted day in and day out by the Orthodox
Catholics he so clearly despises and seeks to ostracize with his cheap
demagoguery even to the point of effectively assisting the secular state
he absurdly deems healthy and it's ever-widening witch-hunt for hate speech
and hate groups thirdly we ought to consider the real possibility that with
this pope we have entered into uncharted territory in the history of the papacy
the chair of Peter is occupied by a man who appears to have been violently
elected to the papacy is universally recognized as a successor of Peter and
yet de facto is a kind of anti Pope in terms of his words and deeds worse
not even the literal anti-popes of the past have uttered the falsehoods and
inanity x' that flow from bergoglio like a river from its source unquote ah a

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kind of anti Pope in terms of his words and deeds yeah just not in terms of his
person huh I guess it's just words and deeds floating around there
Ferreira is wanting to have it both ways
he wants to insinuate that Francis is an
anti Pope but not actually say it and he
needs plausible deniability - you know I
didn't say he was an anti Pope some time
ago Ferreira called him an anti-catholic
Pope and an undertaker Pope and now he's moved on to de facto anti Pope in his
words and deeds look just say he's an anti Pope already okay for goodness
sakes Ferreira continues quote the astounding spectacle should fill us with
dread over the threat it poses to the church to our children to countless
other souls into the world at large it should impel us to pray for the
church's deliverance from this pontificate but also to pray for Francis

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himself despite the legitimate outrage he provokes and the emotional response
to his annex that rises in the flesh it should not however be an occasion for a
gleeful gloating in the manner of the state of our contest commentators who
delight in what they view as the ultimate confirmation of their theses
that we have had no legitimate Pope since Pius the 12th unquote Ferrera just
cannot bear the thought that may be said ever Kaunas have been right all along
and as far as gloating goes if you look at the content that the remnant has put
out about Francis in the last few years isn't that full of gloating I mean if
you want to call it that isn't it full of them
you know happily telling others that their position has been vindicated visa
vie the position of the Neo Catholics like Tim staples and Karl Keating and

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Jimmy akin Jeffrey Myra's and these people now I've pointed out in a track
cast before that when the Semite rats are ready to convert the state of
account ISM there will not be a gloat fest all Novus Ordo watch about it we will
simply welcome them and offer thanks to God
more Souls have escaped the snares of Francis but I think that what's
happening here is that mr. Ferrara simply dreads the thought that say
Davich honest have been right all along and he must pull out all the stops he
can to avoid saying so he concludes as follows quote what we are now witnessing
is something other than mere sate of account ism what exactly it is only
history will tell but it is certainly something that church has never seen
before knowing this we should be appropriately forewarned of what would

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appear at this point to be a dramatic heavenly resolution of the absolutely
unprecedented bergoglio debacle unquote now this is just rich
si Ferreira only knows one thing say tobacconists are wrong sate of akan
dismiss false whether it's too much or too little in the right direction he's
not sure about he just knows city become ism is false so now he pushes the line
that oh well Saint if account ISM can't be it because with all that's been going
on mirror said if a conned ISM could never be the right answer we poor said
if a Kaunas just can't win here I mean according to Ferreira were wrong even
when we're right and now we're wrong because we propose a mere SATA for Conte
ISM huh I mean look he's trying to save face is
all this is unfortunately he's doing it to the detriment of souls because who

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among Ferrara followers actually believes in the papacy as taught by the
Catholic Church in any case what is Ferrara proposing now a hyper sate of
accont ISM you know I'm not sure what the point of his argument is here
because first of all what what even is a mere state of account ISM at the end of
the day no matter how you slice it Francis isn't the Pope and neither are
as five predecessors of in felicitous memory now whether you hold the state of
privation is position as bishop Donald sand does or whether you believe that
Cardinal Seri was elected Pope in 1958 aware that there is currently a true
Pope in hiding whatever none of that negates the known fact that
Francis is not the Pope and that the Vatican 2 sect is not the Catholic
Church I really don't care if you want to call it a a mere city of ikana ISM or
state of ikana ISM on steroids or whatever it's at least the correct

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diagnosis and a first step towards making sense of this mess
look this this fake Magisterium and great facade theses that Ferrer likes to
push none of that stuff is going to work so everything in the new church is fate
except the Pope really I mean somehow he's the real deal it's just that all
the rest is fake is a facade so we have what fake Magisterium fake Canon Law
fake Saints fake mass fake rosary well maybe it's all fate because there is a
fake Pope I mean wouldn't that at least be an answer that squares with reason
and also with Catholic doctrine on the papacy let me leave you here with one
final quote from pope pius xi encyclical Kosti kenobi from 1930 in which he
rebukes those who would sift the Magisterium for what they find

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acceptable and dump the rest which is exactly what the semi traditionalists do
with the Novus Ordo Magisterium quote wherefore let the faithful also be on
their guard against the overrated independence of private judgment and
that Falls autonomy of human reason for it is quite foreign to everyone bearing
the name of a Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to
agree only with those things which he can examine from their inner nature and
to imagine that the church sent by God to teach and guide all nations is not
conversant with present affairs and circumstances or even that they must
obey only in those matters which he has decreed by solemn definition as though
her other decisions might be presumed to be fall
who are putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty quite to
the contrary a characteristic of all true followers of Christ lettered or

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unlettered is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch
upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its supreme pastor the
Roman pontiff who is himself guided by Jesus Christ our Lord
unquote ladies and gentlemen there can be a false Pope illicitly sitting in the
chair of Peter someone claiming to be Pope who isn't that is possible Catholic
teaching does not rule that out but there cannot be a true Pope who doesn't
even adhere to the Catholic religion there cannot be a true Pope and yet a
fake Magisterium and with this we'll call it a day thank you very much for
listening so patiently and please spread the word and maybe you can even help us
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