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and now coming to you from an undisclosed location it's the Novus Ordo

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watch drag cast you can't make the stuff up [Music]
all right finally trap cast has returned and this is episode number 21 the first
one of 2018 [Music] [Applause] [Music] trap cast is Novus Ordo watch for your
ears where we are not more Catholic than the Pope only more Catholic than the
anti Pope as always ladies and gentlemen there is so much to talk about but so
little time in which to do it but we do our best here and this show is going to
have a pretty good mix of different topics so if you don't particularly care

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for one topic talked about here just hang on and keep listening because we're
going to get to a lot of other things as well all right today we'll start by
congratulating Michael Voris of church militant the new year wasn't even a full
month old yet when he already qualified himself for the hypocrite of the Year
award by releasing a vortex episode On January 30th called Catholic media
failures with the intriguing subtitle there are consequences to silence here
are a few excerpts from that show Catholic media is overall in a woeful
state most especially Catholic establishment media meaning those who
will not or cannot report everything going on in the church because their
bread is buttered by the bishops and their lackeys it's astonishing really

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the claim to be journalists and reporters and sources of information come on
not really at least not everything and certainly not the most important things
the dreadful miserable horrible job the bishops and the establishment have done
at passing on the faith that is the headline for the past 50 years and most
Catholic media with rare exception who get paid by the establishment directly
or indirectly report on next to none of this and certainly never place the blame
where it needs to go because they would have their names stricken from every
monument in Egypt like Pharaoh did Moses and sisal be dimille's the Ten
Commandments and a little bit later in the same broadcast he says this they
should start speaking the full truth of the chaos in the church or stop posing
as reliable sources they are every bit as bad as the CNN fake news Empire but

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in some ways they're even worse they deprive you of the necessary knowledge
to understand the full context of what is going on in the church even though
they themselves know it now if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black
Michael Voris king of not reporting what
he ought to report specifically the many
horrible things said and done by Francis has the hutzpah to denounce other news
outlets for not reporting the known truth this is incredible that's exactly
what he's been doing or not doing with regard to Francis and he even made it
into an official Church militant policy which he can find on their website which
will link to in the show notes in that policy that he drew up some years ago
after more and more people were getting annoyed that he was always blasting
anyone and everyone for being liberals and heretics except Francis in that
policy you see things like church militant will not engage in public

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criticism of the pulp period and criticizing the Pope is spiritual
pornography and this is just like laughing about Noah's nakedness and
other garbage like that he's basically taking a holier-than-thou approach which
he will only extend to Francis of course
the Pope is different yeah he's got that right when the very same evils and
heresies and scandals he denounces when other people commit them are perpetrated
by the man acknowledged to be the Pope then they're infinitely worse than if
they're just committed by some lower ranking clergyman but no Voris loves
spending his time bashing people like Timothy Dolan blaze supe j-- James
Martin and all these other modernist pseudo clerics but when it comes
the worst of them all the one at the top that is responsible for the whole thing

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and could end it any time he wished their Boris falls silent and suddenly
discovers that such criticism is not permissible just where such critical
reporting and Theological reputations would matter the most because they would
show that the man who claims to be the Pope can't possibly be Pope for one
thing because he's obviously not a Roman Catholic there the intrepid hammer of
heretics Michael Voris suddenly lays down his arms well it's
kind of important to know whether the man who claims to be the Vicar of Christ
isn't actually the vicar of the devil instead that's actually a little bit
more important than knowing if father James Martin was booed off stage in
Tennessee but no for Voris exposing the truth about Francis
that's just spiritual porn yeah likely story I'm sorry but the inevitable
question that people will be asking themselves especially after hearing

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Voris denounce those other news outlets for worrying about their paychecks too
much is well mr. Voris who's paying you now look I don't know who's paying
Michael Voris I don't know who his main benefactors
are and honestly I don't really care but for someone who's been misleading and
keeping in the dark his own audience about Francis for so long he sure has
guts to be accusing other media outlets for doing the same thing with regard to
people under Francis and doing it basically for the money hey Francis
underlings are simply following their masters lead you can blame them yes but
then blame him too it makes no sense and is really disingenuous to blast the
Novus Ordo Cardinals and bishops and priests for doing the very same things
in essence that their boss the suppose at Pope does so Horace wants to play

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good Catholic who will not criticize the Pope well very good mr. Juarez that's
very noble of you because indeed we are not permitted to trash a troupe hope
to make fun of him or to resist or criticize his Magisterium but we've got
news for you mr. Voris it's not permissible to do that with regard to
bishops either on December 17th 1888 pope leo xiii wrote an apostolic letter
to the archbishop of Tours france in which he addressed the issue of
journalists publicly criticizing bishops
here's a quote from that letter quote in fact it is always true and manifest to
all that they are in the church to grades very distinct by their nature the
shepherds and the flock that is to say the rulers and the people it is the
function of the first order to teach to govern to guide men through life to

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impose rules the second has the duty to be submissive to the first to obey to
carry out orders to render honor and if subordinates usurp the place of
superiors this is on their part not only
to commit an act of harmful boldness but even to reverse as far as in them lies
the orders so wisely established by the Providence of the divine founder of the
church if by chance there should be in the ranks of the episcopate a bishop not
sufficiently mindful of his dignity and apparently unfaithful to one of his
sacred obligations in spite of this he would lose nothing of his power and so
long as he remained in communion with the Roman pontiff it would certainly not
be permitted to anyone to relax in any detail the respect and obedience which
are due his authority on the other hand to scrutinize the actions of a bishop to
criticize them does not belong to individual Catholics but concerns only

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those who in the sacred hierarchy have a
superior power above all it concerns the supreme pontiff for it is to him that
Christ confided the care of feeding not only the lambs but even the sheep at the
same time when the faithful have grave cause for complaint they
are allowed to put the whole matter before the Roman pontiff provided always
that safeguarding prudence and the moderation counseled by concern for the
common good they do not give vent to out cries and recommendations which
contribute rather to the rise of divisions and ill-feeling or certainly
increase them unquote yeah BAM exactly mr. Morris that was from
Pope Leo the 13th apostolic letter ESTs on a molestin and we have the entire
document linked for you in the show notes and so this is why we've been

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calling the church militant Enterprise Church Disneyland because so much of it
is make-believe spin omitted facts and so on they live in a fantasy land but
not only by failing to report on certain things but also very much by spinning
truth and thereby distorting it as early as March 2013 in fact right after
france's election we were already calling Michael Voris out on this on the
ridiculous super conservative spin that he was gratuitous ly and against
contrary evidence putting on Francis we've got a few links lined up for you
in the show notes so you can see for yourself how badly Voris was spinning
the facts to make it look as though france is where this reincarnation of
st. Pius the tenth basically and that's where these sound clips come from that
we use here like this one Pope Francis talks like a pope like the
successor to st. Peter or that one there

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goes yet another Pope being all Catholic and all that right
and now you know why we started calling his vortex program the ignore Tex and
the distort X and this phenomenon of denouncing the Church of nice while
neglecting to mention that this Church of nice also has a pope of nice this we
called the Voorhis virus and honestly I had no intention of bringing this up
again but when I saw in late January that Voris of all people was blasting
the other Novus Ordo news organizations for not doing their job I was beside
myself because it is so hypocritical he is the last person on earth to talk and
you know you'd think that if Voris has chosen this path of selective reporting
and spinning that at least he'd shut up about everyone else but no he goes out

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there in front of the cameras and has the audacity to denounce others for that
of which he himself is guilty on a much more serious scale I say more serious
because no one has more potential to deceive Souls than the man who is
believed by the masses to be the Pope of the Catholic Church alright enough of
Michael Voris but we might as well turn to Francis now since we've already
mentioned him everybody knows and it's not like he's tried to keep it a secret
everybody knows that Francis does not care for the traditional Latin Mass and
yet he has now out of the blue granted to the fraternity of st. Peter and a few
other similar organizations a special permission an IND alt to celebrate the

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holy week liturgy from before 1955 for the next three years now let me repeat
that because it's it's easy to miss the impact of this Francis has granted
permission to the fraternity of st. Peter to use the traditional Holy Week
rites from before Pope Pius the 12th made changes to them that is HUGE
for those who are not quite familiar here's a little bit of background the
fraternity of st. Peter is the religious community that came out of the Lefevre
ISM in 1988 when the Society of st. Pius the tenth formally broke its communion
with John Paul the second in response to the unlawful Episcopal consecration zuv
Archbishop Marcelo Feb on June 30th 1988 pope john paul ii declared that Lefevre
and the other bishops had excommunicated themselves
he called them says mattock and offered to those who had hitherto been part of

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the Asus px but didn't agree with these consecrations to found their own new
religious congregation known as the fraternity of st. Peter in full
communion with the Novus Ordo sect but while retaining basically all of the
traditional liturgical rites now what's important to understand here is that
both the SSP X and the fraternity of st. Peter the FSSP have only been using the
liturgical books of 1962 those books were last modified by John the 23rd so
that was after Pope Pius the 12th it's the 1962 missile that they refer to
when they talk about the traditional liturgy the traditional Latin Mass now
compared to the liturgical rites approved by Pope Pius the 12th the 1962
rites are fairly similar most people in the pew would not be able to tell the

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difference that's not to say that there aren't any problems with the 1962 books
but all things considered the changes are not very noticeable compared to the
books in use until the death of Pope Pius the 12th so the fraternity of st.
Peter had never requested to use any liturgical rites other than those of
1962 at least not to my knowledge had they wanted to use what came before that
the most logical thing would have been to ask to be allowed to use the 1955
rites which were modified by Pope Pius the
but Frances didn't even grant them that he just granted them the use of the
liturgy from before 1955 well for Holy Week only not for the rest of the
liturgical year but for Holy Week but still that's significant because pi is
the twelfths Holy Week reforms in 1955 were rather far-reaching at least for

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Good Friday and Holy Saturday so the Ephesus P now gets to use the old
Holy Week in use from before Pius the 12th reforms that is like heaven on
earth for them they must be beside themselves for joy and gratitude
Francis is giving them something here that they would have never dared to ask
for of course the big question now is why why in the world would Francis of
all people make them this huge of a gift a gift they never even dreamed of
requesting remember Francis emphasized just this past August 24th that the 1969
Novus Ordo liturgical reform of Paul the sixth is irreversible yes that's the
word he used irreversible and now he's granting to the FSSP

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this extremely generous in dolt to celebrate the holy week in use before
1955 so why is he doing that well I don't know the answer but knowing what a
sly devil Francis is and knowing how much many people who mean to be faithful
traditional Catholics are attached to liturgical externals I very much suspect
that Francis has a sinister motive here he's not doing this out of the sheer
goodness of his modernist heart in fact if he has to soap up the indle
traditionalists to such an extent he's probably got something really really bad
and that he needs to keep them quiet about the in dolt is granted for three
years only for now so that means that if the FSSP wants to have this extended

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beyond that limited time frame they're gonna have to behave if you know what I
mean yeah Francis knows what he's doing he may have no clue about theology but
he knows how to get what he wants so I suspect that whatever move Francis may
be planning perhaps getting rid of clerical celibacy or allowing women
Cardinals or deaconesses or something he's trying to get on the good side of
those who could make the most noise come on don't say this could never happen
right could never happen I mean he's already basically been dispensing people
from observing the sixth commandment as long as they have a really good reason
okay so III think his motive here is to keep his traditionalists busy and
distracted and very indebted to him for years to come that's my suspicion

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Francis is doing this because he wants to keep them quiet and grateful and busy
with their pre Pius the 12th Holy Week while he goes on ransacking whatever is
left of Catholicism and souls oh one little detail that I almost forgot
despite the generous concession to the FSSP that they can now use the pre Pius
the 12th Holy Week of course there is one little exception they're not allowed
to use the traditional good friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews
can't have that nope they are required to use the version Benedict the
sixteenth published in 2008 and the show notes we're going to link our blog post
explaining the difference between the traditional Catholic Good Friday prayer
for the conversion of the Jews the Novus Ordo prayer for the Jews and the
benedict xvi version look for the post called
the crucified christ betrayed the Novus Ordo Good Friday prayer for

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the Jews so yeah there always has to be that little grain of incense offered to
the Jews and goes to show you who's really in charge at the Vatican okay
let's look at some recent headlines and provide just a little bit of sane
reality based commentary what have we been seeing in the news in the last few
weeks and months let's start with this headline from LifeSite news.com January
26th 2018 Archbishop to Trudeau you're confused if you think you can be
pro-abortion and Catholic that is in reference to the Canadian Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau who claims to be a Roman Catholic and is of course a big
supporter of killing children in the womb also known as abortion the supposed
Catholic Archbishop of Ottawa Terrance Prendergast said that Prime Minister

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Trudeau is confused if he thinks he can be Catholic and support abortion yeah
that's it it's a question of confusion no doubt if someone could just clear up
this unfortunate confusion for him then he would amend his ways right that's it
you know this is one of the biggest reasons why everything is as bad as it
is because those in authority or in this case those who claim to be the Catholic
authority do not lift a finger to do what is in their putative power to do
there is no reason why Trudeau could not have long been excommunicated by arch
layman Prendergast and the people who now say stop complaining at least
Prendergast is speaking out against that the people who say that have not
understood how serious the situation is we should be grateful that at least he's

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saying supportive abortion isn't reconcilable with being a Catholic well
guess what it's not even reconcilable with being a decent human being
Trudeau advocates the murder of little babies before
they're born and all he gets is an occasional slap on the wrist now we're
supposed to be grateful that he at least gets that much this kind of minimalism
is so very gravely responsible for so much evil in this world as Pope st. Pius
the tenth one's very aptly remarked the chief strength of the wicked lies in the
cowardice and weakness of good men all the strength of Satan's reign is due to
the easygoing weakness of Catholics I haven't seen a reliable source for this
and I've seen it attributed to st. Pius v at times but it really doesn't matter

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who said this because it is so true so mr. prenderghast by not even attempting
to do what would be in your power if you actually were a legitimate Roman
Catholic Archbishop you to share in the guilt of mr. Trudeau sitting there and
saying oh he's really confused doesn't do a thing for anyone and you know as
well as we all do that confusion isn't the problem here by
the way Prendergast's is a Jesuit just saying alright next headline comes from
Catholic news agency dated March 13th 2018 botched execution shows death
penalty must end Catholic group says I know there are people listening right
now who oppose the death penalty well the true Catholic position is that the

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death penalty is morally good and appropriate for capital crimes but to
those who are not convinced of that I'm just going to ask you to bear with me
for a moment here because what I'm about
to say is not so much about the morality of capital punishment as it is about
dismantling a stupid argument I am really allergic to bad arguments so
anyway the story is that a Novus Ordo anti-death penalty group called Catholic
mobilizing Network saying that the botched execution of
Doyle Lee ham in Alabama on the February 22nd shows that the death penalty must
end and my question is how does a botched execution argue against the
death penalty all it does is it argues against
watching it I mean you might as well say that a three-car pileup argues against
automobiles no it doesn't it's not supposed to happen

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it just argues for defensive driving maybe maybe what happened in Alabama on
February 22nd is that an inmate was supposed to be executed using lethal
injection and they couldn't find a suitable vein so for two and a half
hours they try to find one and ended up puncturing him like 11 times and they
stopped when the death warrant was about to expire now let me quote from the
Catholic news agency article quote the events surrounding this execution
attempt highlight the brokenness of the death penalty
set Catholic mobilizing Network which works to end the death penalty the
horrific violence that doily Ham experienced should serve as a poignant
reminder of the need to end the death penalty once and for all
unquote what horrific violence did he suffer that he got punctured 11 times
that's the horrific violence and that supposedly shows that the death penalty

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must end if anything it shows that they should have a few execution methods
lined up in case one of them doesn't work that's what that shows so really I
cannot stand bad logic a botched execution shows the death penalty must end
no it just shows they need to do a better job now look I know that the
death penalty is an ugly punishment but that's because the crimes that merit it
are ugly crimes if you want to reduce the number of executions I have a great
idea work to reduce the number of capital crimes that's the way to do that
and ultimately the way to reduce crime is to preach the gospel and convert
souls to Jesus Christ and His Holy Church so that they will lovingly submit
themselves to the sweet yoke of his law by the way I want to apologize for still

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not having followed through on the promise to put up a blog post an
in-depth post on the Catholic teaching about capital punishment it will happen
I just like to be very thorough as you know producing quality rather than
quantity and that's why that still hasn't happened yet a post on that is
way past due especially since Francis has gone on
record now condemning the death penalty as intrinsically evil speaking of
Francis let's look at another recent headline from the Catholic Herald
published March 15th Pope Francis if you are in a state of
mortal sin you cannot receive Communion when I read that headline my first
thought was well good thing adultery is not a mortal sin anymore I mean this is
how absurd the whole thing is now on the one hand Francis can sound really tough

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and conservative about how we're not allowed to approach Holy Communion if
we're in the state of mortal sin but then at the same time and with the other
side of his modernist mouth he teaches that those who are in a state of public
adultery might not be in mortal sin if they can convince themselves that they
have a really good reason to be committing adultery the two-facedness of
the whole thing is staggering but let's go ahead and read a little from the
article in the Catholic Herald because it gets better quote any Catholic who
has committed a mortal sin cannot receive Holy Communion unless they have
been to confession the Pope has said continuing a series of talks on the mass
during his general audience on March 14th Pope Francis reminded Catholics of the
need to obtain absolution for grave sins before receiving the Eucharist
in remarks to Polish pilgrims after his catechesis on the our Father the Pope

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said we know that one who has committed a serious sin should not approach Holy
Communion without having first obtained absolution in the sacrament of
reconciliation unquote did you get that he said that only in his remarks to the
Polish pilgrims he said at an Italian and the Vatican website then translates
it later but the point being that that wasn't even part of his actual
catechesis that's just something he included and his little shout-out to the
poles at the end of the general audience
look the whole thing is so ridiculous at this point that it is its own best
parody and on that note we'll take a much-needed break don't go anywhere

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alright there's lots more to cover so let's get right to it
I'd like to talk about the Society of st. Pius the tenth for a moment the SSPX
you may remember that in April of 2017 the Vatican announced that Francis was

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granting Novus Ordo bishops permission to among other things allow Novus Ordo
priests to officiate SSPX weddings and then have the SSPX priests offer the
nuptial mass just look at the show notes for the link to a blog post on that
whole issue well in any case now that it's been almost a year the first such
weddings have been celebrated and there's a particular case in Canada
that's making the rounds in the blogosphere because it really shows the
insanity of it all what happened is that an sspx couple got married in a normal
sort of church with the novus ordo priest witnessing and receiving the
exchange of consent right in front of the Novus Ordo table while the sspx
priest stood nearby and watched and then after the vows were exchanged the SSPX
priests proceeded to offer the nuptial mass on the high altar which was located

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right behind the Novus Ordo table so it was a bit shall we say an odd sight yeah
and you're going to see a lot more of that I'm sure so a debate has broken out
now among SSPX adherents who are fighting over whether that is a good
thing or a bad thing and the side that opposes this Novus Ordo ization is
saying that by having an oval sort of priest officiate the wedding
the SSPX can now no longer claim that there is a state of emergency in the
church and yet that state of emergency or state of necessity argument is
precisely the basis on which they've always hung the legitimacy of their
entire apostolate so this is kind of a big deal right I mean they've always
said that although normally you are not allowed to consecrate bishops without
the papal mandate and you can't hear confessions and officiate weddings and
so forth without the proper off of the local ordinary in their case it's

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all different because you know there's the state of necessity since Vatican 2
that allows them to do all these things even in direct defiance of the Vicar of
Christ himself that's been their rather convenient argument and who proclaimed
the state of necessity by the way well they themselves did of course in
particular it was their founder Archbishop Marcel LaFave and so this
discussion about whether or not the sspx is now in effect giving up their claim
as to their being a state of necessity although very interesting is actually
beside the point well they should be fretting about is not whether the SSPX
still does or doesn't claim the state of necessity but where the sspx think it
got the right to essentially suspend all of catholic teaching on the Magisterium
the papacy in the church simply because they decide it's the right thing to do

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in the first place come on every heretic every sabbatic
every apostate has a reason for his heresy his sysm and his apostasy right
but that's not how it works in the Catholic Church and Pope Pius the 9th
made that very clear in his magnificent 1873 encyclical cuartos supra against
the Eastern Orthodox here's what he says
quote every sysm fabricates a heresy for itself to justify its withdrawal from
the church nor can the Eastern Churches preserve communion and unity of faith
with us without being subject to the Apostolic power in matters of discipline
teaching of this kind is heretical and not just since the definition of the
power and nature of the papal primacy was determined by the ecumenical Vatican
Council the Catholic Church has always considered at such an deported thus the
bishops at the ecumenical council of chalcedon clearly declared the supreme

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authority of the Apostolic See in their proceedings then they humbly requested
from our predecessor Saint Leo confirmation and support for their decree
even those which concern discipline unquote we're linking to that encyclical
in our show notes and I would highly recommend that anyone who thinks the
Society of st. Pius the tenth has a leg to stand on to read that encyclical
because it totally demolishes the Lefevre sophisms so much so that it
reads like it was written specifically to Bishop Fellay
or Archbishop Lefebvre Lee so that's what the sspx er should be reading and
should be discussing amongst themselves and not whether the SSPX has given up
its claim about there being a state of necessity Catholic teaching knows of no
such thing as a state of necessity that people can simply declare and then use
it to suspend whatever church teachings they think they need to contradict for
the time being until they decide it's once again safe to adhere to the

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Apostolic See that's preposterous you know these are the same people that
always fault us say to vikon is for saying that the Vatican two popes aren't
true popes how can you say that you don't have the authority to make that
call you can't decide that and then they proceeded to decide that even though
these men are Pope's nothing they teach legislate or condemn has any force and
must even be resisted sometimes under pain of heresy or mortal sin which
totally usurps the authority that rightfully belongs to the Holy See and
totally contradicts Catholic teaching on the papacy if you want to see how badly
the SSPX and all the recognize and resist traditionalists contradict
Catholic teaching on the papacy go to our show notes and click on the link
entitled Catholic family news and the 100 percent challenge that blog post

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quotes a lot of Magisterial documents on the teaching and legislating authority
of the Roman pontiff and those who adhere to the SSPX or similar groups
should review that and ask themselves honestly how much of that teaching they
actually affirm and not just in theory but also in practice as Pope Pius the
9th wrote and as a teen 77 and cyclical Quay in Patriarca to
quote what good is it to proclaim aloud the dogma of the supremacy of st. Peter
and his successors what good is it to repeat over and over declarations of
faith and the Catholic Church and of obedience to the Apostolic See when
actions give the lie to these fine words moreover is not rebellion rendered all
the more inexcusable by the fact that obedience is recognized as a duty again
does not the authority of the Holy See extend as a sanction to the measures

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which we have been obliged to take or is it enough to be in communion of faith
with the sea without adding the submission of obedience a thing which
cannot be maintained without damaging the Catholic faith in fact venerable
brothers and beloved sons it is a question of recognizing the power of
this sea even over your churches not merely in what pertains to faith but
also in what concerns discipline he who would deny this is a heretic he who
recognizes this and obstinately refuses to obey is worthy of anathema unquote
yep that is one of the texts quoted in the 100 percent challenge to Catholic
family news that I mentioned just moments ago so you can see it's
definitely worth checking out yeah you see the citation pi is the tenth and
similar traditionalist groups want a papacy without consequences that's why
they're so quick to affirm that Francis is the Pope no matter what and then

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proceeded to ignore him trash him mock him disobey him denounce him and so
forth but such a papacy does not exist it is certainly not the Catholic papacy
and you cannot maintain the faith of the Catholic Church by contradicting that
very faith anymore than you can borrow your way out of debt but what about us
they have a conscious then right don't we usurp authority to declare bergoglio
and as friends to be false hierarchs non Catholics and not the
successors of the Apostles this objection has made all the time and
though I've addressed it many times I'd be glad to do it again for those who
have not heard our response before or who may have forgotten it in a nutshell
it simply does not require authority to point out that what cannot be true is

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not true it is the authority of human reason so to speak enjoyed by all who
are in possession of their faculties that assures us of the truth of this
claim the question whether Jorge bergoglio is a public Catholic or a
public non Catholic cannot be a matter of opinion we know what he professes in
public and we know how he acts in public
that is all we need to be able to make a judgement not a legal one not a legal
judgment but a cognitive one and the objective evidence says or screams
rather that the man is not a Roman Catholic any seven-year-old child would
not be allowed to make his First Holy Communion if he uttered the things that
Francis professes Francis is not a Catholic but a modernist he's a
naturalist Acciona Stanek humanist an indifferent hist a communist and he

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embraces a whole lot of other isms that do not begin with Catholic the evidence
against Francis is so overwhelming that no one who knows what Catholicism is and
what Francis has been saying and doing can deny it there is no room for opinion
here no one is allowed to say that a man who professes Francis's heresies and
errors is a Catholic we can say this with certitude because we know what
Catholicism is and therefore we also know necessarily what is not Catholicism
that is what contradicts Catholicism these are two sides of the same coin if
we know what a Catholic is then we also know what a heretic is if you know one
you know the other now notice that everything that I've just said pertains
entirely to the order of fact not to the order of the law no said
of economist could issue a legal judgment against Francis because such a

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legal judgment would indeed require special Authority but the legal judgment
although desirable is not necessary to be able to know that Francis is an
apostate and therefore not Pope it is not necessary because the fact of
France's apostasy is manifest if it weren't manifest we wouldn't be talking
about it in canonical language Francis departure
from the faith is notorious in fact and even in an ecclesiastical trial what as
notorious does not need any further proof much less an official judgment
here's a quote on that from the Catholic Encyclopedia
quote the judge and in general the person in authority holding what is
notorious to be certain and proved requires no further information and
therefore both may and ought to refrain from any judicial inquiry proof or
formalities which would otherwise be necessary for these inquiries and

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formalities having as their object to enlighten the judge are useless when the
fact is notorious such is the true meaning of the axiom that in notorious
matters the judge need not follow the judicial procedure unquote and that is
from the entry notoriety notorious in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1911 we've
got it linked of course in the show notes so does this mean that the state
of acontece can demand that others agree with us on the question of whether
Francis is a true Pope or not well the answer to that is yes and no we'll need
to draw an important distinction here binding someone else's conscience would
indeed require ecclesiastical authority and that's something no set of
economists has if any set of our counters were to pretend that he has the
right of himself to bind somebody else's conscience he would be mistaken and act

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unjustly and the words no city of accountants could
say you must be a state of acontece because I say so that would clearly be
impermissible but then really nobody is doing that and if anyone is doing that
he's wrong at the same time that's not the whole story although we cannot
demand that others accept sate of account ISM because we say so
nevertheless we can demand that others accept church teaching except the
empirically verifiable facts about what Francis says and does and draw the
logically necessary conclusion that follows from both said of account ISM is
the only conclusion that does not run into conflict with Catholic teaching
which means that it's the only conclusion that is possible and
therefore it's also necessary it's for this reason that others have the

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obligation to embrace it not because we said if icon is say so as
though we had any authority to bind their consciences
but because according to Catholic teaching no other conclusion is possible
and since we have an obligation to adhere to Catholic teaching with us also
have an obligation to embrace set of accont ISM in short the necessity for
people to be said of a contest does not arise from city of acontece say-so it
arises from the fact that all are obliged by Catholic teaching and the
manifest empirical facts to arrive at that conclusion so it has nothing to do
with you know hubris or pride arrogance or presumed Authority or anything of the
kind it's very much like explaining to someone that if he understands what one
means what two means what equal means and what plus means then he must

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conclude necessarily that one plus one equals two or to use another analogy if
jack is a bachelor and all bachelors are unmarried
then we must conclude necessarily that Jack is unmarried no other conclusion is
mitad or possible and we cannot hide behind the cop-out that we don't have
the authority to say that jack is unmarried
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Pope Francis talks like a Pope like the successor to Saint Peter go away
sorry about that all right now ladies and gentlemen we've saved the best for
last it's time now to discuss the remnants agony over the upcoming
canonization of Pope Paul the sixth the man who gave to the world the decrees of
the Second Vatican Council the so called new Mass and is really the one man most
responsible for the institution of the Novus Ordo sect in all its essential
features yep the Vatican announced that in October of this year
Paul the six will be declared a saint by Francis who has already pretended to

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give that status to John the 23rd and John Paul the second Paul the sixth is
also sometimes referred to by other names his baptismal name for example is
giovanni battista Montini and I personally like to call him formaldehyde
Paul because when his body was lying in state and the Vatican in August of 1978
he stunk so badly that they had to install fans to dispel the putrid odor
excuse me the odor of sank and yeah they had to inject more
formaldehyde into his rotting corpse so that people wouldn't pass out from the
stench at the funeral anyway if Paul the sixth is a saint then of course the
recognize and resist traditionalists like the SSPX or the gentleman at the
remnant newspaper have a big problem so on February 10th the remnant editor
Michael Matt released a new episode of the remnant underground entitled st.

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Pope Paul the six when pigs fly of course it'll be a cold day in hell
before they will ever say Pope Francis when pigs fly but we already discussed
that issue now in that video Michael Matt pushes the typical
recognize and resist line against novels order canonizations but also tries to
reconcile that with the pesky fact that church teaching is that the canonization
of saints is infallible so let's have a listen to what mr. Matt argues beginning
at the six minute four second mark and then we'll skip around a bit the
majority opinion among theologians in the past was that papal infallibility
does in fact come into the canonization process right we accept that and so
under normal circumstances you wouldn't you know you wouldn't come out and start
questioning Saints well I don't know if it passes muster with me right you
wouldn't do that no Catholic would do that but that was then when this

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consensus was made by theologians that was then that was before everything in
the church kind of went crazy the majority opinion among theologians was
based on what it was a base it was based
on established criteria such as that the cause for a given canadas ation the
cause had to overcome all of the objections of the devil's advocate and
this was a tough guy okay now wait a minute there's a few things wrong here
Matt makes it seem as though the Catholic teaching on the infallibility
of canonization is simply an opinion that one can either share or not share
and it just so happens that the majority of theologians hold that view and so
that gives it a greater likelihood of being true
but that's really not the case as explained by the theologian father
Joachim salivary in his on the Church of Christ the infallibility of
canonizations is theologically certain it is a dogmatic fact to deny a dogmatic

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fact or a theologically certain conclusion is a mortal sin against faith
then Matt claims that the theologians who argued for the infallibility of
canonizations did so based essentially on the thorough investigative process
with the devil's advocate trying to derail the canonization which the
candidate had to withstand and overcome I'm sorry but that's ridiculous no
matter how good a process is it's never going to be infallible and neither could
it be the cause of an infallible judgment because obviously a fallible
cause can never have an infallible effect and so for Michael Matt to make
that assertion is rather amazing and unless he can quote evidence in that
regard but I suspect that Matt simply made it up he probably just imagined
that the theologians in question based it on the investigative process okay

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let's go back to the audio now at eight minutes and three seconds because
without the devil's advocate how do we know if the majority of theologians in
the past would have still maintained that papal infallibility comes into the
canonization process or declaration we don't know that um actually we do and
that's because the infallibility of canonization z' isn't based on the
presence of the devil's advocate because
the testing of a candidate for sainthood
by devil's advocate is hardly infallible well it's not to say that it's useless
it's just to say that it cannot be a cause of infallibility and now we'll go
to eight minutes 27 seconds so now in this case there's no there's no devil's
advocate anymore so the Vatican kangaroo court can pretty much do whatever it
wants right I mean that's how it seems to me if you eliminate these things they
can do whatever they want and here you can see that despite
his declarations to the contrary Michael Matt really believes that the Catholic

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Church remember he thinks that the Novus Ordo sect is the Catholic Church he
believes that the Catholic Church is just a human institution that is exactly
how he's approaching the whole matter here you take away the devil's advocate
you're left with a kangaroo court well sir if it's God's holy church then there
is no kangaroo court the church is divine whatever you bind on earth shall
be bound in heaven Christ set to st. Peter in Matthew 16:19
and by the way our Lord said that in the very context of the gates of hell not
prevailing which he mentioned in the verse before that see this is the
problem when you try it all cost not to be say devour contest you end up with
having to twist and distort everything and by doing that you destroy it all and
by the way even with the devil's advocate how do you know that the
Cardinal who had that role wasn't corrupt wasn't influenced by political

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considerations wasn't bribed and so forth well you don't know that so in any
case it will do no good to hinge infallibility on the devil's advocate
I'm picking up now at 8 minutes and 41 seconds let's go back to Michael Matt
well then the argument of course is well
no because the Pope's words you know the Declaration of Canada's ation those
words suffice those are infallible but again maybe that's maybe that's the case
but really so what's the point of the process what's the point of the process
well mr. Matt the Pope has to know whom to canonize and so of course he uses all
the ordinary human means to ascertain that that's how it works in the church
and that's how it works for Dogma to the Pope's ex catheter pronouncement is
guaranteed to be infallible but to know what to proclaim as Dogma a lot of

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theological research has to be done and just as grace builds on nature so
infallibility is the gift that God grants to a human process
the fallible human process doesn't cause the infallibility as Matt erroneously
thinks any more than nature causes grace no it is God who prevents the Pope and
the church from error in both cases infallibility is based on God preserving
his church not on some human process then Matt says obviously his infallible
statement is based on the process no it's not a process that had to be worked
out meticulously to prevent the Pope from making a mistaken declaration of
canonization you see no I don't see that's complete nonsense
the fallible human process does not cause infallibility now let's skip to
nine minutes 44 seconds it doesn't make any sense to me that the Pope would just

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get to trash that whole process of canonization you get rid of two out of
three miracles Nick's the devil's advocate and maybe even canonized
somebody for purely political reasons and then we have to accept that as
infallible well maybe even if it doesn't seem to make sense to me again here you
see that Matt believes the Catholic Church to be a merely human institution
yet he's always out there claiming that the divine element of the church has not
been compromised as only the human element that is in really bad shape of
course he never defines just what constitutes the divine and the human
elements and I think I know why I mean here you can see that he questions the
divine element just as much as the human element because it is obviously the
divine element that guarantees infallibility and protects the church
from proposing to the faithful public sinners as Saints for their veneration

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and imitation for the remnant the Catholic Church is simply another human
organization that is only as reliable as the people in it human weakness
corruption and sin can Swart the infallibility of the church according to
these suppose a traditional Catholics well with traditional Catholics like
that we don't need modernists I'm sorry I know I'm sounding
here but this needs to be said aside from personal piety and virtue and good
intentions and all that the remnant has been doing so much damage to Catholicism
because of its utter refusal to let Catholic doctrine be its guide no matter
the consequences why is someone like Michael Matt being looked to by so many
traditionalists as some kind of a guiding light and promoter of the true
traditional Catholic position beats me now let's forward to the 18 minute mark
where Matt is speaking in the context of the upcoming supposed canonization of

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Paul the sixth anyone who believes in fact the Holy Ghost is involved with
this obvious political chicanery and opportunism is just drinking the Neo
Catholic kool-aid by the VAT full that's exactly right
the Holy Ghost obviously has nothing to do with these fake canonizations of the
Vatican to church but what makes this a blasphemous affront on Matt's part is
the fact that he claims that this church is the Bride of Christ the Roman
Catholic Church guided and protected by God and that is what throws a monkey
wrench into it all and as far as I can tell the only reason it's done is
because they want to avoid the conclusion of SATA mechanism for
whatever reason I don't even care what the reason is because honestly no reason
is good enough you know I have no problem whatsoever with someone looking
at all the facts and then trying to figure this thing out even if he makes a

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mistake if he comes to a wrong conclusion in the end we're all just
human beings here and of course that outcome ISM does have its share of
difficulties its share of less than ideal answers or sometimes no clear
answers but at least not contradictions so if Matt were simply trying to figure
this out would that be totally cool but you can tell he's not because although
he's considering different possibilities about infallibility and the processes
and this and that there's one thing he has already determined from the outset
before any investigation he not accept the idea that the man who
performs all these absurd canonizations isn't actually the Pope now that would
explain at all wouldn't it and it would totally leave intact the Church's
position on the infallibility of canonizations it would not contradict
Catholic teaching in any way and yet that is the one position that the

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remnant absolutely refuses to consider even so much as a possibility and matt
says in the beginning of the video that he doesn't have all the answers right
but then as always excludes a priori the one position that can perfectly explain
why Francis can do these things now some people say oh but what about the motive
of a canonization they're clearly trying to canonize Vatican 2 and icons of the
modernist Revolution and these political motives render the canonization suspect
when otherwise they'd be infallible that's the objection well the answer to
that is simply show me where in any theology book before vatican ii the
motive for a canned eyes a ssin had anything to do with its validity I've
seen no such thing and it really wouldn't make any sense I mean either
someone is a saint worthy of our veneration and imitation or he's not the
reason why he's canonized but really has

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nothing to do with that in fact you know
one of the motives of Pope Pius the 12th in canonizing Pope Pius the tenth in
1954 was to help stem the resurgent modernism in his time that was obviously
a good motive but the modernists didn't think so so do
we now have to know the motive for each canonization before we accept it and how
do we evaluate that who gets to say if a motive is good enough
likewise about the process who gets to decide when the process is good enough
no you can see here that all of these considerations treat the Catholic Church
as a merely human institution that is only as reliable as her members are holy
now I know that since the release of that remnant underground video on
February 10th the remnant has put out an article by Christopher Ferrara called

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the canonization crisis and I was originally going to dissect that right
here on the show but it turns out it's a bit too complex for that and so we'll
instead have a response to it on our blog at Novus Ordo watch.org / wire so
you can look forward to that alright ladies and gentlemen it's been quite a
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