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ladies and gentlemen did you know that Jorge bergoglio whom some call Pope
Francis is not a liberal or a heretic that he is actually an Orthodox
conservative Catholic yeah well at least that's what we're told on the history
and apologetics blog of Dan Marcum there's a post entitled 24 plus
anti-liberal statements by Pope Francis and the idea there is to prove that
Francis is orthodox by showing various quotes of his supporting a total of
twenty four Orthodox theses so for example point number two says he is
strong on no salvation outside the church and then Markham lists four
things Francis has said that lends support to that doctrine now of course
we all know that if there's one thing Francis doesn't believe in it's no
salvation outside the church so what's going on here well quite simply Francis

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is a modernist trying to destroy any remnants of Catholicism in people's
minds and he does it using the tried-and-true modernist playbook for
every 50 heretical or erroneous things you say also say three Orthodox things
and so what Markham has done is simply pulled out the few Orthodox things he
said on occasion and catalogued them all
into a single post saying haha look here
look at how Orthodox Francis is well the problem is that while Markham is giving
you friends is twenty-four Orthodox statements he isn't quoting all twenty
four thousand heretical things Francis s said so that's like taking a bank
account statement and pointing to all the credits and bragging about how much
money you're taking in while at the same time not showing anyone all the debits
that are hitting your account and putting you seriously into the red

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so mark ins 24 anti-liberal statements prove nothing except that Francis talks
out of both sides of his mouth yes you and find a statement by him saying that
whatever we have to be faithful to the deposit of faith to the doctrines handed
down from apostolic times yes you can find him saying somewhere that we ought
to bring people to Christ so they can be saved
yes you can find him mentioning hell and the danger of people going there it's
just that you have to look very long and very hard and that countless other
things he said and done either outright contradict deny or relativize those
words or at the very least outweigh them
by sheer quantity and this tactic is not even new it's quite common among
modernists and part of their strategy of subverting the church from within they
spread their poison by acting and speaking in such a way that everyone

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will take heresy from them while they themselves retain a modicum of plausible
deniability should someone claim they're heretics and one way to do that is to
contradict oneself on occasion tell different people different things
perhaps depending on who one is talking to it was Pope Pius the 6th who pointed
that out in 1794 when he condemned the local synod that had been held in the
Italian city of pistoia a few years earlier that Synod by the way was a kind
of theological precursor of vatican ii in any case here's what Pius the 6th
wrote quote in order not to shock the ears of Catholics the innovators sought
to hide the subtleties of their tortuous maneuvers by the use of seemingly
innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the

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most gentle manner once the truth had been compromised they could by means of
slight changes or additions and phraseology distort the confession of
the faith that is necessary for our salvation and lead the faithful by
subtle errors to their eternal damnation this manner of de simulating and lying
is vicious regardless of the circumstances under
which it is used for very good reasons it can never be tolerated in the Senate
of which the principle glory consists above all in teaching the truth with
clarity and excluding all danger of error moreover if all this is sinful
it cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done under the erroneous
pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further
developed along Orthodox lines in other places and even in yet other places

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corrected as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or
denying the statement or of leaving it up to the personal inclinations of the
individual such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by
innovators to establish error it allows for both the possibility of promoting
error and of excusing it it is as if the innovators pretended that they always
intended to present the alternative passages especially to those of simple
faith who eventually come to know only some part of the conclusions of such
discussions which are published in the common language for everyone's use or
again as if the same faithful had the ability on examining such documents to
judge such matters for themselves without getting confused and avoiding
all risk of error it is a most reprehensible technique for the

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insinuation of doctrinal errors and one condemned long ago by our predecessor
st. Celestine who found it used in the writings of Nestorius Bishop of
Constantinople in which he exposed in order to condemn it with the greatest
possible severity once these texts were examined carefully the impostor was
exposed and confounded for he expressed himself in a plethora of words mixing
true things with others that were obscure mixing at times one with the
other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were
denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying
those very sentences which he confessed in order to expose such snares something
which becomes necessary with a certain frequency in every century no other
method is required than the following whenever it becomes necessary to expose
statements that disguise some suspected error or danger under the veil of
ambiguity one must denounce the perverse

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meaning under which the error opposed to Catholic truth is camouflaged unquote
damn that was Pope Pius the sixth in the Apostolic Constitution alka Turin fidei
and we have that text linked for you as we always do in the show notes for this
episode at track cast dot-org simply look for the link to trap cast 25 now I
can give you a very beautiful example of Francis advancing contradictory ideas
you see Markham's post of francis 24 anti-liberal statements is a bit dated
it was published in 2015 and as you know the brig Olien tongue has moved a lot
since then point 21 in mark ins post says that Francis is opposed to
communion for the divorced and remarried as evidence for that Francis is quoted

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from his very first in-flight press conference aboard air had one during his
return flight from World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro where he said this quote
about the problem of communion to those persons in a second union that the
divorce might participate in communion there is no problem when they are in a
second Union they can't I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the
entirety of pastoral care of marriage unquote yeah that didn't age well did it
we all know of course what Francis says about that issue now since in 2016 he
released his exhortation amoris Laetitia which has caused so much controversy
precisely because it permits unrepentant public
first to receive the Novus Ordo version of Holy Communion well only of course in

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individual cases wink wink to summarize it really doesn't matter if
someone can find 24 things Francis has said that our Orthodox the problem is
with the 24,000 things he said that aren't and yes that's actually backed up
by Catholic moral theology you see there's a principle that says bonum ex
integra causa malam ex come quite effective and that means good is from
the entire cause evil is from any defect
in other words for a thing to be good it has to be entirely good for it to be
defective it is enough if it is defective in only one respect and that's
why you can't have Catholicism in degrees or elements that's why someone
who affirms 99% of Catholic dogma and denies only one single dogma is just as

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much of a non Catholic as one who denies almost all dogmas it will be wrong to
say that someone who denies only one dogma is more Catholic than someone who
denies say 12 dogmas that's simply not true I know that colloquially we
sometimes talk that way but theological II it's really inaccurate there is no
such thing as being more or less Catholic than another any more than a
woman can be more or less pregnant than another
that's why Pope Benedict the 15th Rodan as 1914 encyclical at bayit II see me
quote such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less
but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected unquote that's paragraph
number 24 so therefore even if Francis were a heretic with regard to only one
or two dogmas he would still be a complete non Catholic and all the

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Orthodox statements in the world that he's ever uttered wouldn't
make a hill of beans worth of a difference one drop of poison is enough
to turn a healthy drink into a deadly one
just as one pin pops the entire balloon all right time to move on to something
else here on August 5th the semi traditionalist erotic chili blog
published an interesting account of what happened to a man who was living in his
own little diocesan traditional Latin Mass bubble and one Sunday had to attend
a Novus Ordo Mass because his car had broken down well listen to it yourself
here's what he wrote and I'm not gonna quote the whole thing just the most
important parts so he was on his way to his regular traditional Mass but his car
broke down and had to get towed and he felt obliged to attend the new Mass at

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his local parish church of st. Lawrence in West Haven Connecticut quote as soon
as I walked through the door I wanted to leave I found a choir of four or five
led by a lady on a piano or keyboard made to sound like one and a guitar the
choir a collection of older men in shorts and older women with the
exception of one was practicing 15 minutes before Mass it is very hard to
recollect one's self and get ready for the sacred mysteries while listening to
mostly off-key choristers going through their rehearsal but that was the least
of it what they were singing the usual made it all the worse one strangely
reminded me of a Dorothy Provine ditty from the film the great race he
shouldn't a hadn't a oughta know swang on me but the genre was the same a kind
of Andrew Lloyd Webber meets the lemon lighters circa 1964 there are no
memorable verses but a mirthful chorus just like a toothpaste commercial you'll

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wonder where the yellows went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent and like
commercials it's all about me I US God was mentioned even Jesus but only
insofar as either could do something for me
I US and there was no note of sacrifice it was all meal bread and wine the mass
began and it attempted to be a formal expression of the Church's teaching on
the mass the two celebrants and the deacon did try to make things real
everything around them however bespoke informality informality breeds music
that is different and outlook than Gregorian chant and informality breeds
an attitude of laxity by the people in the pews most of whom were wearing
shorts and such even though the place was air-conditioned if it's a family
meal why worry about the way one is dressed and it breeds al-aksa Dean

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receiving the sacrament kneeling to receive our Lord comes from
understanding who you are and who he is standing bespeaks a fuzzy at best
understanding of what we are receiving and whom we are meeting in that
reception mass as I like to say is not supposed to be a near occasion of sin
this had all the earmarks for the first time in my life I prayed for Eucharistic
prayer - and it was granted I didn't receive though I went to confession the
day before I was truly anguished by what
I was experiencing a true degradation of what is supposed to be the source and
summit of our lives some will read this and see it as being
pharisaical I'm worrying about forms and formulae I lived through the liturgical
hell that was 1965 to 70 and then the jettisoning of those forms with the
missile of 1970 people began leaving the
pews the priesthood and consecrated life the year after the changes came about

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newer changes didn't stem the tide they increased the outflow we changed what we
did which explained who we are if the church could change that it could change
anything official proclamations to the otherwise notwithstanding someday
someone brighter than I will figure the church's role in the West's demise I
suggest they start with the first Sunday of Advent 1965
yes things led up to it but that was the date it came apart for good meanwhile
the church is imploding and for some reason leaders aren't looking at first
causes denying our forms tradition and devotions that grew up over 1,500 years
caused a rupture that rupture was prompted by reform in the liturgy it
couldn't happen until then yet here we are if our churchmen were running the
Ford Motor Company that still be making Etzel 's and telling mr. ford it was

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because the people don't know what a great car it is they only have to be
catechized i had thoughts of leaving at communion but thought wryly jesus was
called down here and he can't be too happy about it i stayed as a penance god
has a sense of humor but my walking into st. lawrence church on the 18th Sunday
in ordinary time 8th Sunday after Pentecost was a watershed moment for me
I wondered if the Novus Ordo Mass is so far beyond redemption it can never be
reined in it can't the deficiencies in the right what it doesn't say coupled
with the forced informality makes a lethal brew the future is the past the
Novus Ordo mass can't survive it must not only true Catholic liturgy evoking
true Catholic piety an explaining true Catholic doctrine with no apologies can

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survive the Novus Ordo Mass fails on all counts unquote yeah welcome to your own
religion sir that is your church that is your mass or
pseudo Mass it is the official worship of the institution you believed to be
the Immaculate Bride of Christ who according to traditional Catholic
teaching is spotless in her sacraments and in her sacred laws imposed on all oh
and in preserving the faith too by the way yeah so it's not looking too good is
it and well for those who don't believe it here's some evidence Pope Pius the
12th and cyclical mr. G corporation graph number 66 quote certainly the
loving mother the church is spotless in the sacraments by which she gives birth
to and nourishes her children in the faith which she has always preserved in

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violet in her sacred laws imposed on all in the evangelical counsels which she
recommends in those heavenly gifts and extraordinary graces through which with
inexhaustible fecundity she generates hosts of martyrs virgins and confessors
unquote pope pius xi and cyclical cross premise number 22 quote not least among
the blessings which have resulted from the public and legitimate honor paid to
the Blessed Virgin and the Saints is the perfect and perpetual immunity of the
church from error and heresy unquote pope leo xiii apostolic letter
onam ingress ii quote in the catholic church christianity is incarnate it
identifies itself with that perfect spiritual and in its own order sovereign
society which is the mystical body of Jesus Christ and which has for its

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visible head the Roman pontiff successor of the Prince of the Apostles it is the
continuation of the mission of the Savior the daughter and the heiress of
his Redemption it has preached the gospel and has defended it at the price
of its blood and strong in the divine assistance and of that immortality which
have been promised it it makes no terms with error but remains faithful to the
commands which it has received to carry the doctrine of Jesus Christ to the
uttermost limits of the world and to the end of time and to protect it in its
inviolable integrity unquote and lastly Pope Pius the 12th once more this time
from an allocution he gave On June 2nd 1944 in which he said quote Mother
Church Catholic Rome which has remained faithful to the

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Constitution received from her divine founder which still stands firm today on
the solidity of the rock on which his will erected her possesses in the
primacy of Peter and of his legitimate successors the assurance guaranteed by
the divine promises of keeping and transmitting in violet and in all its
integrity through centuries and millennia to the very end of time the
entire sum of truth and grace contained in the redemptive mission of Christ
unquote that right there is sufficient proof that Francis cannot be a
legitimate Pope because in him there is quite manifestly no assurance of keeping
and transmitting and violet and in all its integrity the entire sum of truth
and grace contained in Christ's redemptive mission nor does the Catholic
Church or what people think as the Catholic Church stand firm on the

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solidity of bergoglio and this really gets to the heart of the matter about
city of accont ISM versus other positions at the end of the day
everything can be boiled down to the basics if the Vatican to church is the
Catholic Church then everything the church has traditionally taught about
herself also applies to the Vatican to church then everything the church has
traditionally taught about the Pope also applies to the people officially
considered Pope's since the death of PI's the 12th in other words John the
23rd Paul the 6th John Paul the 1st John Paul the 2nd Benedict the 16th and now
Francis then all official teachings since the death of PI's the 12th are
though perhaps not infallible nevertheless safe for a Catholic to
embrace but of course virtually everyone who's listening to
this podcast say Davich honest or not everyone knows that what emanates from

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the Vatican these days is doctrinally not safe but in fact a great danger to
faith and morals so ever since vatican ii which closed in december of nine
sixty-five people have been trying to resolve this obvious conflict to
reconcile these apparent contradictions the traditional teaching is that the
church cannot lead you astray in matters of faith and morals for as long as she
is guided by a valve Pope the whole point of the papacy the whole reason why
Christ instituted it is to guarantee orthodoxy right faith and morals for the
entire church not just in Magisterial teachings but also in terms of
liturgical rites that are doctrinally sound and pleasing to God invalid
sacraments and disciplinary laws for the whole church that are in harmony with
the Catholic faith and with right reason and just in general the guarantee that

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souls can become holy can Santa fie themselves by embracing the church and
using the helps she offers that is the purpose of the church the church is the
Ark of salvation the Divine Embassy as it were on earth so then when Vatican 2
happened and began a doctrinal and pastoral revolution in the church people
started trying to figure this out they tried to find a theological explanations
to account for what was happening and so essentially three main currents were
formed the first one simply denied that there was a genuine break with the past
people who took that position said that the council taught nothing that
conflicts with the prior teaching and that any contradictions were only
apparent and that the solution was to properly understand the council and that
that is the way to solve the problem of that akin to well that position is

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basically taken by people like a cardinal Raymond Burke dr. Robert Frost
eg Patrick Madrid and organisations like Catholic Answers and EWTN we like to
call it the conservative Novus Ordo position or that sometimes refer to as
the hermeneutic of continuity position I'm sure you've heard of it
the second main current that developed was one that says that the
contradictions between the council and traditional Catholic teaching are
manifest and that would be that it will be foolish and not honest to deny them
but that that doesn't mean that the church has defected or anything because
the council and the Post conciliar Magisterium do not claim infallibility
so it's not infallible and therefore we can and must reject it problem solved
that is the position we call recognize and resist because the people who hold

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it will recognize the papal claimants after Pius the 12th as valid and
legitimate in the Vatican to church as the Catholic Church although resist all
the teachings laws canonizations and so forth that they consider to be at odds
with the traditional pre-vatican to teaching well-known organizations and
people who subscribe to that position include the Society of sin Pius the
tenth the remnant the Fatima center tradition in action Archbishop Marcela
Feb Bishop Richard Williamson Bishop Bernard filet Father
Chad ripburger Roberta dammit a Michael Davies Christopher Ferreira taylor
marshall john salsa robert cisco michael matt steve's go jack and many others
that's an extremely popular position especially right now when a lot of
people just cannot take france's anymore and it's it's really a kind of best of

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both worlds position because you can reject all the modernist junk yet at the
same time you also get the affirm that the Vatican's establishment is still the
Catholic Church that the man who has acknowledged by the world to be the Pope
actually is the Pope and you can easily tell yourself that all the sacraments
that you avail yourself of are valid and so on so it's an extremely convenient
and popular position now being convenient and popular by itself
wouldn't make it wrong but I'm just explaining why it's so popular and if
you know how to promote it it's quite lucrative to just ask Steve
Kojak another moniker for this position that we use here is semi traditionalism
because it is traditional only to an extent and certainly not with regard to
the traditional doctrines of the papacy the church and the Magisterium and

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lastly the third main current to emerge in response to the errors of vatican ii
is said of a ism and that's the position we take here a novel sort of
watch because it alone makes sense it acknowledges the contradictions for what
they are and identifies the new teachings and ideas coming out of
vatican ii and the post conciliar Magisterium as errors in some cases even
heresies the very things condemned before the council such as religious
liberty accumulative but since a true roman pontiff and the true catholic
church cannot per the promises of christ teach heresy or other pernicious errors
detrimental the souls in the name of Christ and by his authority to the
universal Church then the only possible conclusion is that the person who
approved the council and that's giovanni battista Montini commonly known as Pope

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Paul the sixth was not a valid Pope infallibility actually has very little
to do with it all even if the council had proclaimed nothing that falls under
the umbrella of infallibility assuming Paul the sick stuff then a true Pope for
a moment it still could not have come from the authority of the Catholic
Church because the church cannot teach ideas that undermine sound doctrine and
are a danger to souls it would make no sense whatsoever to think that the
church could teach the most obnoxious heresies to all of her faithful with the
mean little disclaimer that hey we never said it wasn't fallible I mean how is
this supposed to work right the successors of the Apostles United to the
supreme pontiff the Vicar of Christ meet
in council and solemnly approved decrees and constitutions for the universal
Church which are then generously implemented
throughout the diocese's of the world and then what each catholic is supposed

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to get on google and figure out if he can accept it maybe subscribe to the
remnant and keep current on Ferrara's column at the fatima center or do we
need to watch taylor marshall videos now and get Roberta that might A's take on
everything to ensure that the church isn't leading us astray this time I mean
is this how Christ set up his holy Catholic Church is that how it works I
mean what is this if not a complete joke now I know that the argument will come
back that will you say to her Connors have the same problem you say Francis
isn't the Pope when everyone else says he is and that's impossible it can't be
up to each one of us to decide who the Pope is well agreed to an extent it's
certainly not up to us to simply you know decide that bergoglio isn't the
Pope rather it's a logically necessary conclusion because the alternative would
be to conclude that the church has defected that Jesus Christ has given us

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a worthless in a dangerous Church he tells us to cling to it but clinging to
it actually leads us to hell that is a heresy and a blasphemy saying that Jorge
bergoglio isn't the Pope is neither a heresy nor a blasphemy now some like
Robert Sisko will say that it is a dogmatic fact that Francis's Pope
because when he was elected he was accept that peacefully by the whole
church and universal peaceful acceptance by the whole church is an infallible
sign of the validity of someone's papacy well of course that argument assumes
that the people who are considered Catholics nowadays even though they
adhere to the Vatican 2 religion which Sisko himself rejects as a false
religion that those people are in fact Catholics and make up the Catholic
Church which is absurd I mean those are the people not all of them of course but

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the vast majority of them those are the people that
for go to confession that live together before marriage that practice
contraception that think the death penalty is immoral that believe in
freedom of speech and religion that don't know how to pray the rosary that
do a climate fast during Lent that think Aquinas is a zodiac sign for whom icons
are only something you put on your computer desktop who've traded in their
spouse for a new one and then gotten an annulment and who think that the mass is
a shared meal of bread and wine well in the case of the new mass of course
they're actually correct but it's by accident so you see what I'm saying the
vast majority of novel sore toes at least in the West especially North
America and Europe and also in Oceania wouldn't know Catholicism if it hit them
in the face and here I'm not even trying to assign
blame for the purposes of this discussion it doesn't matter if they're

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at fault or not the point is that these can hardly be the people who are
infallibly testifying to Francis legitimacy let me give me a break you
might as well ask Barack Obama so on that point alone Robert cisco's argument
is worthless it assumes something that isn't true or at the very least
something disputed by said of ikana so he can't assume it without begging the
question and I'm referring here to his article dogmatic fact the one doctrine
that proves Francis's Pope which was published on us codex 1 Peter 5 blog
which is really a theological comedy site so it makes sense that they would
let Sisko publish that there but anyway my favorite part of Cisco's article is
his quote from Cardinal Lewis Bo who was an eminent theologian of the late 19th

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and early 20th century sisqó quotes Cardinal Bo as follows quote one point
must be considered absolutely incontrovertible and placed firmly above
any doubt whatever the adhesion of the Universal Church will be always in
itself an infallible sign of the legitimacy of a determined pontiff and
therefore also of the existence of all the conditions required for legitimacy
itself it is not necessary to look far for the proof of this but we find it
immediately in the promise and the infallible Providence of Christ the
gates of Hell shall not prevail against it and behold I shall be with you all
days God can permit that at times a vacancy in the Apostolic See be
prolonged for a long time he can also permit that doubt arise about the
legitimacy of this or that election he cannot however permit that the whole

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church except as pontiff him who is not so truly and legitimately therefore from
the moment in which the Pope is accepted by the church and United to her as the
head to the body it is no longer permitted to raise doubts about a
possible vice of election or a possible lack of any condition whatsoever
necessary for legitimacy for the aforementioned adhesion of the church
heals in the root all fault in the election and proves infallibly the
existence of all the required conditions unquote the original Latin for this is
found in Cardinal BIOS book truck tattoos the ecclesia christi treatise on
the church of christ vol 1 now this sounds pretty much like a slam dunk for
cisco's position doesn't it at least if you agree that the world's Vatican 2

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believers are the Catholic Church yeah well except that Sisko left out a piece
of that quote smack dab in the middle of the paragraph he omitted one sentence
and acknowledged that omission by putting ellipsis dots and here is what
that omitted sentence says quote to be sure for the church to adhere to a false
pontiff would be the same thing as if she were to adhere to a false rule of
faith since the Pope is the living rule which the church must follow
in belief and always follows in fact as will be still more clearly apparent in
what is to be said later unquote yeah that part doesn't work so well Francisco
does it so let's put everything together now to see what Cardinal Bo is actually
saying he's teaching that it is impossible for the entire Catholic
Church to peacefully follow a pope in matters of faith and morals who is not

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in fact the true Pope such a man not being the legitimate Pope would not be
guided by Christ would not have the grace of the papal office and would
never be infallible he would lack all of
the protections that Christ has given to the papacy since he would not actually
possess the papacy and so he could teach the wildest heresies he could declare
the greatest sinners to be Saints he could call a bogus ecumenical council he
could destroy the sacraments he could establish impious and harmful laws for
the whole church yeah does any of this sound familiar
yeah I thought it did so that portion that Sisko cut out totally undermines
his arguments since he himself doesn't follow Francis as the rule of faith now
notice that Bo does not only say that the church must always follow the Pope
and matters of belief which would still be enough to destroy Cisco's argument he

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even says that the church does in fact always follow the true Pope at least for
as long as it's everyone peacefully submitting to his teachings but out of
all the people that cisco considers real Catholics no one follows Francis and
matters of belief and of course he and says that it is forbidden to do so
because of the great occasion of spiritual harm and danger that such
submission presents to one soul so that doesn't exactly sound like the
fulfillment of Christ's promise that the gates of Hell won't prevail does it
hey keep in mind the teaching of pope pius xi in his encyclical Kosti kenobi
of 1930 he wrote quote characteristic of all true followers of
Christ lettered or unlettered is to suffer themselves to be guided and led
in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through

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its supreme pastor the Roman pontiff who is himself guided by Jesus Christ our
Lord unquote and that's paragraph number 104
the in the encyclical Kosti kenobi and no pius xi is not restricting this to
just the once in a blue moon infallible x catheter pronouncements because right
before what i just quoted in the very same paragraph pius xi said this quote
it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of a christian to trust his own
mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he
can examine from their inner nature and to imagine that the church sent by god
to teach and guide all nations is not conversant with present affairs and
circumstances or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has
decreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to

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be false or putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty unquote so
you see that as soon as you apply the real meaning of the papacy to the man
cisco maintains is absolutely the real pope his whole argument falls apart oh
he wants a pope alright he just doesn't want the papacy but that's not how
catholicism works the papacy has consequences and listen to what Pope
Pius the 12th teaches and mr. Chi corporis quote they therefore walk in
the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the head
of the church while not adhering loyally to his vicar on earth unquote
it's paragraph 41 notice that Pope eyes here doesn't say that it is enough to
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which means if Francis is the Pope then he is the safe rule of faith for all
Catholics because he is then specially guided by Christ our Lord
then Robert Cisco go right ahead and submit to your oh so certain Vicar of
Christ but of course this you won't do because you know that the man is as
heretical as heretics get by the way we have put up an English translation of
the entire chapter of Cardinal Bo on the legitimacy of the Roman pontiff from
which cisco quotes in his article so you can read everything cardinal bo says in
context it's a noble sort of wuntch exclusive so you won't find it anywhere
else and we've got it linked in the show notes alright there is so much more to
say on this and Cisco's article also had a few other arguments but I can't cover

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it all here else would never finish so let's just keep in mind that the bottom
line is this if you're going to say that
it is infallibly certain that someone is Pope because of peaceful acceptance by
the whole church then you must agree that this Pope cannot lead Souls astray
in matters of faith or morals that he is
the safe living rule of faith not always
infallible but always safe to follow and if you don't believe that if you hold
that he must be resisted then you cannot use universal peaceful acceptance as an
argument that infallibly proves his validity I think it's time we took a
break hey why don't you refill your coffee and we'll be right back it's not

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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] you are listening to track cast 25
brought to you by Novus Ordo watch where
we bring you the truth about the Vatican to church otherwise we'd be Taylor
Marshall [Music] [Applause] [Music] speaking of which I would be remiss if I
didn't mention this earlier this year as I'm sure most of you know Taylor
Marshall released a book entitled infiltration the plot to destroy the

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church from within it was published by Sofia Institute press and it's so sad
but people are going nuts over this they think it's so wonderful when in fact
it's quite overrated for right now I only want to talk about this briefly so
you don't think we're ignoring such a rather significant book release but I
haven't finished reading it yet and I don't want to critique its contents
until I'm done so I'm biting my tongue here because I'm really itching to say
quite a few things about it but we'll have a feature article on the North sort
of watch web site about this book and we will also review it in the next trap
cast and we may actually make it a special edition track cast just on that
topic now I want to make clear that I'm not into slamming every book on the
crisis in the church that isn't say devour contest just because it's not
said about contests I wouldn't do that and that's not what's happening here

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there are non set of arcanas books out there that are of great value in other
ways for example in in critiquing Vatican 2 or in showing the errors of
the new theology or the new Mass but what we see with infiltration is just
bizarre because the author of the former anglican cleric taylor marshall has a
PhD in philosophy and yet his writing doesn't reflect that at all that's all
I'm going to say here for now but you can look forward to some substantial
critiques coming up on the blog and in a future
podcast ok before we continue I'd like to make one quick appeal to everyone's
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extent of the law alright enough of this let's move on to
oh yeah you may be aware that dr. Peter who now ski who is an American
philosopher in Idaho has founded the organization sister Lucy truth with the
goal of determining with certitude whether or not the woman the Vatican has
paraded around as sister Lucy of Fatima since 1959 is in fact that sister Lucy
to whom our Lady appeared at Fatima in 1917 together with the other two
children the question is quite relevant when you look at photos of the woman
known to be sister Lucy all the way up into the 1940s and then contrast those
images with pictures of sister Lucy in the 1960s and later on the face of it
they just don't look like the same woman
but of course that's not evidence that's just a suspicion so what ho now ski did

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is he wanted to put the matter to rest one way or another and so he raised
funds and commissioned numerous scientists and other professionals to
analyze and examine whatever data is available and so now we have facial
analysis dental analysis handwriting analysis forensic art
professional opinions from plastic surgeons and so on all of the evidence
that has been collected so far with the official scientific reports and
professional assessments all of that has been posted at a website at sister Lucy
imposter org and that sisters spelled out and imposter with an ER ending
sister Lucy impostor dot org so far the verdicts of all the reports have been
unanimous the two women in question are not the same person in other words the
woman known as sister Lucy of Fatima seen in photographs since the 1960s is

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not in fact sister Lucy a Fatima that at
least is what the evidence says that has been gathered so far and if anyone has
evidence to the contrary that's fine too then contact sister Lucy truth and
submit that evidence the idea isn't to promote one particular theory but to
settle the question using the best technology available today so we want to
go by evidence not by speculation not by hypotheses theories or whatever
now the repercussions of this are tremendous it means that anything
purportedly coming from sister Lucy after basically Pope Pius the 12th
probably didn't come from her or at least it's highly doubtful that it did
certainly the woman who appeared in public as sister Lucy was not her but an
imposter according to the evidence collected what happened to the real
sister Lucy well that's a question that will be investigated separately
interestingly enough and tragically enough none of the well-known recognize

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and resist organizations have shown any interest whatsoever in this
investigation or the results and here I mean the Fatima Center the remnant
Catholic family News the Society of st. Pius the tenth and so forth apparently
they don't care and yet this is an issue
that has nothing to do with state of our conda's amor theology at all it's only
about whether or not the Vatican used a woman to impersonate sister Lucy and
surely that is kind of a big deal wouldn't you say
well on May 14th of this year high now ski posted on his ranch at Thomas blog
that the term diabolical disorientation now has to be discarded because it
actually came not from the real sister Lucy but from the imposter that of
course is very unwelcome news for the organization's I just named since
they've basically built a whole theology a theology of resistance on that

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foundation of diabolical disorientation a term introduced by the supposed sister
Lucy in the 1960s diabolical disorientation is what they always bring
up when their theology runs into contradiction with a traditional
doctrine so for example they can say that the ideas put forth by an
ecumenical council are junk because diabolical disorientation they can say
that the saints canonized by a true Pope
may in fact not be Saints at all because I volatile disorientation they can say
that the new mass of Paul the six is a defective right of mass perhaps even
invalid because diabolical disorientation and they can say that the
Pope and with him the entire Church can adhere to a new and false religion
because you guessed it this orientation yeah come to think of it maybe I
understand now why they'd rather not bother with that sister Lucy impostor
thing okay next if you thought that the senate's on the family in 2014 and 15

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were really bad and admit it you did think that well then put your seatbelt
on because you ain't seen nothing yet in October of this year there's going to
be the Amazon Synod in the Vatican no Jeff Bezos won't be attending it's not
that Amazon okay we're talking about the pan Amazon region in South America the
Vatican has released a working document that they'll be using for their
discussions that is so bad that even some Novus Ordo Cardinals specifically
Muller Braun Mueller and Burke are calling it heresy even apostasy that
document that that working document for the Amazon Senate
amaura's Leticia look like Sacred Scripture by comparison erotic celli is
on record saying that it doesn't even rise to the level of toilet paper though
I'm not gonna say that because I don't see any reason to insult toilet paper

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like that well excuse me but I mean at least toilet paper doesn't contain
heresy all right well anyway let me quote you some highlights from the
working document so you can see for yourself what kind of a theological
freak show this is going to be these are all quotes the cry of the Amazon speaks
to us of struggles against those who want to destroy the life as conceived
integrally in the Amazon life is inserted into linked with and integrated
in territory territory is a theological place where faith is lived and also a
particular source of God's revelation epiphanic places where the reserve of
life and wisdom for the planet is manifest a life and wisdom that speaks
of God in the Amazon the caresses of God become manifest and become incarnate in

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history women must assume a leadership role within the church listening to the
voice of the Spirit in the cry of the Amazon peoples and in the Magisterium of
Pope Francis requires a process of pastoral and missionary conversion to
this end it has suggested to discard rigid positions that do not take
sufficient account of the concrete life of people and the pastoral reality in
order instead to meet the real needs of indigenous peoples and cultures it is
necessary to grasp what the Spirit of the Lord has taught these peoples
throughout the centuries faith in the god father mother creator
communion and harmony with the earth solidarity with one's companions
striving for good living the wisdom of civilization
going back thousands of years that the elderly possess and which influences

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health life together education cultivation of the land the living
relationship with nature and Mother Earth the capacities of resistance and
resiliency of women in particular rights and religious expressions relationships
with ancestors the contemplative attitude the sense of gratuity
celebration and festivity and the sacred meaning of the territory a process of
discernment is needed regarding the rites symbols and styles of celebration
of indigenous cultures in contact with nature which need to be integrated into
liturgical and sacramental rituals it is necessary to be attentive to grasp the
true meaning of symbols that transcends the merely aesthetic and folkloric
specifically in Christian initiation and marriage it is suggested that the

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celebrations should be festive with their own music and dances using
indigenous languages and clothing in communion with nature and with the
community a liturgy that responds to their own cultures who has to be the
source and summit of their Christian life and linked to their struggles and
sufferings and joys encourage the men and women religious who come from abroad
to be willing to share the local life with their hearts heads and hands in
order to unlearn models recipes schemes and preset structures and to learn the
languages cultures traditions of wisdom cosmologies and mythologies of the
indigenous peoples that sin it is going to be an utter madhouse but don't worry
Francis will be there keeping the gates of hell from prevailing Hey look for the

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semi trash it will just be one more thing to resist write on Twitter you're
already seeing people say things like well if at the Amazon Center day they
all are women's ordination or if they get rid of clerical celibacy
then I'm gonna leave then I'm gonna be a sate of a contest
and if those people I say don't kid yourselves you're not going to leave the
Vatican to church then either and why should you if a mor is Letizia in the
acceptance of sin as partial virtue wasn't enough to make you take action
then nothing else will either because anything else is just going to be a
different degree of what is essentially the same thing heresy so why should you
not convert when there's this blatant heresy in amoris Laetitia
but then definitely convert when there's some other blatant heresy in whatever
post sin a little exhortation Francis is
going to publish after the Amazon Senate so don't say there's just this one more
thing that you need that one more thing and if that happens well then you're

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going to become a sate of economists no you're not because what needs to happen
to trigger that conversion has long happened and you resisted it now there's
always hope that you'll still accept God's grace in the future and act on it
but you can do that now you don't have to wait for the Amazon Synod now
speaking of resistance and switching gears here the state of recognize and
resist theology has recently been beautifully on display at the 1 Peter 5
web site where the left hand apparently doesn't know what the right hand is
publishing on July 24th contributor David Mitchell published a post entitled
there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church so far so good
that's a Dogma after all and even though they're mistaken about the Vatican 2
Church being the Catholic Church nevertheless the principle holds no one
can be saved outside the Catholic Church now two days later at 1 Peter 5 Steve's

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Kojak posts an article entitled the Novus Ordo paradigm what it is and why
it matters and that post includes the following sentence quote Novus Ordo ISM
and Catholicism are not the same religion unquote which is true of course
it's just too bad that the religion taught and practiced in the
and throughout the institution he believes to be the Catholic Church
outside of which there is no salvation is the Novus Ordo religion but if the
Novus Ordo religion is not Catholicism then how can there be no salvation
outside the institution that has replaced Catholicism with Novus Ordo ISM
either there's no salvation outside the Catholic Church and therefore
Catholicism or there's no salvation outside the nobles or doe church and
therefore Novus Ordo ISM it can't be both since let me quote again Novus Ordo

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ISM and Catholicism are not the same religion but to make it even worse on
July 29th a third contributor at 1 Peter
5 Nishant Xavier published the essay the
Filioque a call to the separated east to come home and so as the title suggests
the author is beckoning the Eastern Orthodox to convert to what he calls the
Catholic Church but of course the institution he has in mind is the
Vatican 2 Church which preaches Novus Ordo ISM which we know from Steve's
cojac isn't Catholicism so as you can see this is a total mess and the reason
it's a mess is that they're trying to reconcile two fundamentally
irreconcilable things namely that the legitimate Roman Catholic hierarchy
under the Pope can defect to a false religion and still be the legitimate
Catholic hierarchy invested with the authority of Christ they believe in a

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church that is the Catholic Church but doesn't adhere to Catholicism they
believe that the Catholic Church the Immaculate Bride of Christ can become
unfaithful to her divine spouse they believe in a non Catholic Pope and that
is what throws a monkey wrench into it all now it's not like we said if our
Kaunas have all the answers but at the very least we acknowledge that what
contradicts the Catholic faith cannot be true and we act accordingly and embrace
the necessary consequences that leaves some questions unanswered and it raises
some new ones that's very true but it doesn't involve us in concert
mr. e as possible contradictions are not you know often people will say that
state of account ISM is a dead end but that's not true
it's an open end an end that leaves room for faith and for divine providence and
doesn't try to have everything figured out first before we accept it the worst
thing we can do is accept a manifestly false solution just so we can say we

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have a solution that's madness that is a dead end the semi
traditionalists recognize and resist position that is a dead end it's a dead
end because it does away with the traditional teaching on the Magisterium
on the papacy and on the church just so it can have a pope a pope who's papacy
is essentially meaningless for the Semite rats francis is at best a
figurehead with a primacy of honor and they're not even quite so sure about the
honor part I've said it many times before and I'll say it again you cannot
keep the faith by denying the faith if you have to deny Catholic teaching in
order to maintain that Francis's Pope then you have nothing now of course the
Semite rat's challenge set of ikana on the living Magisterium right where is
your Pope where is your Magisterium where is your teaching Church and to

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that I'm just gonna have to say I don't know I don't know what happened to the
Catholic Magisterium I don't know where the teaching Church is but I do
know that it's not in the Vatican I do know that it's not the vatican ii church
because that's a den of heretics and apostates with the worst of them at the
top now I'm talking about heretics and apostates not just you know corrupt
people I'm not just talking about sinners like evil men that would be
entirely possible in the Catholic Church you can have evil Cardinals and evil
Pope's but here we're talking about non Catholics so I do know that the Vatican
2 church is not the Immaculate Bride of Christ because it is a most dangerous
monster from which we have to protect ourselves so we don't end up in hell
by unwittingly adhering to its teachings and that's essentially admitted by the
Semite rats because that's the precise reason why they resist in the first

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place they resist the Vatican to church because it's obvious that it's a danger
to Souls so much so that objectively speaking there is no salvation inside of
it and so that's the very opposite of the Catholic Church outside of which
there is no salvation now you've got to keep in mind that a Magisterium and a
teaching church is worthless if what it teaches is not the unadulterated Roman
Catholic faith then you don't have the visible teaching Church then you have
nothing a church whose teaching must be resisted is not the Church of Jesus
Christ remember what our Lord said about those he sent with his authority quote
he that heareth you here with me unquote that's Luke 1016 and the church
is referred to in the first letter of st. Paul to Timothy as the pillar and

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ground of the truth and you can read that in chapter 3 verse 15 now that's
hardly an apt description of the Vatican to church is it clearly the answer I
don't know is not very satisfying but not knowing something is still better
than thinking to know something that isn't so I don't know is an acceptable
answer for individuals in these difficult times but contradictions are
never an acceptable answer God doesn't demand us to have all the
answers to have it all figured out but he does demand us to have faith in his
word to trust his promises and the st. John the Baptist said in Luke 3 verse 8
God can turn stones into children of Abraham
so don't doubt the power of God don't doubt that the church will be restored
precisely at the time and in the manner that God has determined from all
eternity remember that having faith means firmly accepting what God has

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revealed not because you agree with it or you find it convincing or you think
it's true but because he who cannot lie or be mistaken has revealed it that's
what it means to believe to have divine faith you accept what God has said on
his authority and aided by grace of course so to sum up we have to
distinguish very strictly between what is impossible and what is merely
improbable or otherwise hard to fathom it's possible to have no Pope and it's
possible not to know where the living Magisterium is today and what the heck
has happened to the church exactly since
Pius the 12th died but it's not possible that the true Catholic Church should
teach anything other than Catholicism it's not possible that the sovereign
pontiff should no longer be the safe living rule of faith it's not possible
that the Ark of salvation should suddenly turn into a most dangerous

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institution that poisons souls with all kinds of heresies errors blasphemy
sacrileges and impiety it is not possible that you should cling to the
true Catholic Church and be led astray by her if these things were possible
then and only then what the gates of Hell have prevailed and so we're saying
our contests precisely because we believe with all our hearts that the
gates of Hell cannot prevail against God's Holy Catholic Church and with that
we'll end this podcasts thank you for listening if you liked it please spread

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