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Catholic podcast from Novus Ordo watch and this time it's a special edition
dedicated entirely to Taylor Marshalls book infiltration the plot to destroy
the church from within and that was released with a lot of
fanfare on May 31st of last year and boy there is a lot to say about it [Music]
all right so welcome to episode number 27 now before we begin a quick warning as
you know we live in times of coronavirus and I'm sitting very very close to the

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microphone here so you may want to move six feet away from the speaker just to
ensure you're keeping a safe enough distance or at least make sure your
antivirus software is up-to-date that should work - all right well I
thought we could start off with just a little bit of humor here before we get
all serious now I realize that you might be asking yourself if this review of
Taylor Marshalls infiltration isn't coming a bit late considering that the
book was released just about a year ago now and yes you have a point there
but I did first have to find the time to get all my ducks in a row which means I
first of all of course needed to read the whole book and take critical notes
while reading and that usually involves a little bit of research and then I had
to find the time to put a podcast together all the while chaos Frank in
the Vatican is busy making an ever bigger mess of things on a daily basis

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and then of course we had the the Amazon Senate we had the Pachamama incidents
now the coronavirus lockdown and so on and so forth and then it was you know
year-end of course which means a lot of administrative tasks for Novus Ordo
watch which is keep in mind a nonprofit organization so yeah it was a bit of a
challenge to find the time needed to put together something worthwhile on this
book all the while keeping the blog going and you know staying up to date
with the news and then I have to say I'm a big fan of doing things properly
okay I'm not into sacrificing quality for the sake of quantity if something is
worth doing it's worth doing right and that usually takes a bit of time now
granted of course sometimes I fail in that it's not like everything Novus or
don't watch but it's just perfect but at least the
general intent is always to produce high quality content all right so let's get

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started with part 1 of a review of Taylor our Marshalls infiltration I say
part 1 because in the course of preparing this podcast I realized I was
going to have to break this into two parts ok meaning two separate podcasts
otherwise this was just never gonna finish and I mean seriously who wants to
listen to like a three and a half hour podcast right okay so let's begin with
some introductory remarks the first thing I want to say is that as a set of
economists I'm obviously biased against the author in this theological position
of recognize and resist and it will be silly for me to pretend that on this
objective third party observer because I'm not okay
nonetheless I'm gonna try very hard to make this a fair review meaning I'll
really try to make this objective as much as possible have all my points of

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criticism grounded in a in a fair reading of the text and assessment of
the facts and I'm also gonna try not to be nitpicky okay which is kind of hard
for me but I'll try let me start with a general description of the work
infiltration is a hardcover book published by Sofia Institute press
specifically by their imprint crisis publications in the back of the book the
publisher explains quote Sofia Institute
press Awards the privileged title crisis publications to a select few of our
books that address contemporary issues at the intersection of politics culture
and the church with clarity cogent see and force and that are also destined to
become all-time classics unquote now with a description like that the

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publishers set expectations pretty high and the problem with high expectations
is that it's very easy to fall short of them and as we'll
see in this and the next podcast that's exactly what happened with infiltration
the print edition of infiltration has a few photos in it and the main text spans
just over two hundred and forty three pages on which are printed a total of 33
chapters followed by another fifty or so pages of various appendices etc now at
33 chapters over 243 pages the average chapter is only about seven pages in
length that's not wrong or anything but I did find it odd for example that
chapter 22 entitled Archbishop Lefebvre xizt ensign one page in length I mean

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with that chapter title you'd expect a little more so the extreme brevity of
some of the chapters is puzzling to me but you know it may have something to do
with the fact that perhaps Taylor Marshall wanted the total number of
chapters to come out to 33 which lo and behold is exactly how many numbered
chapters his book has infiltration has been released also in electronic format
and is available even as an audio book as of early May 2020 it's received one
thousand six hundred and seventy ratings on amazon.com and sports basically a
five star collective rating the actual number is four point eight out of five
with eighty-eight percent of reviewers giving it a full five stars how is that
possible I mean is the book really that good we'll talk about that in detail

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either in this or in the next podcast because Taylor shall we say helped
facilitate that a bit ahead of release day but before we get into all that and
discuss also of course the content of the book let me first give you my
overall assessment in just a few sentences this is my summarized opinion
of infiltration the plot to destroy the church from within I would say that this
book has some merit in introducing people who are not at all familiar with
what's happened to the Catholic Church in recent decades with introducing them
to the basic theme of the infiltration of the church by diabolical forces
especially Communists and Freemasons it discusses this and related concepts and
gives a basic overview of some of the main historical facts theological issues

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and personalities involved Marshall draws together many different anecdotes
and historical tidbits about the infiltration and persecution of the
Catholic Church and those are valuable to know and handy to have collected in
between two covers as far as academic quality is concerned the work is poor
very poor now granted it's not trying to
be an academic book but considering that Taylor Marshall has a PhD in philosophy
I would have expected a lot more okay the biggest problem in the book is very
inadequate and often entirely non-existent documentation of the claims
that he makes and extremely sloppy footnoting he makes claim after claim

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after claim in this book and comparatively speaking almost none of it
is backed up the book has three hundred and seven numbered pages and I don't
know how many asserted facts but only 181 total footnotes which means Taylor
is telling you a lot of stories but you would have no idea if they're actually
true or not because he's not telling you how he knows these things
for the most part he's just not giving you sources
and that's not to say that the stories are false not at all only that the
reader has no assurance that they're true because the author's mere say-so is
not good enough I mean Taylor Marshall is not a recognized authority in church
history okay he's not an expert on the subject a real and properly credentialed

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church historian could get away with just asserting things but Taylor
Marshall who not too long ago was still defending Frances amoris Laetitia by the
way can't do that so when the publisher the Sophia Institute Press says on its
website that this book is quote carefully documented I'm sorry but I
don't see how that's anything other than simply a lie I mean it's not carefully
documented everything's footnoted yeah right and
that was Taylor Marshall on the right on point podcast being interviewed by Paul
and Olivia Ingrassia in their episode number 104 on June 17th 2019 the link to
that whole interview is available in the
show notes for this track cast number 27 and you can find that remark that

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everything is footnote at in context at the 10 minute 35 second mark of the
right on point podcast so no unfortunately not everything is
footnoted on the contrary only very few things are backed up and some of the
things that our document had even turn out to be inaccurate upon examination
but we'll get to that later I'll have plenty of examples theologically the
book is standard recognized and resist fair and the author's critique of said
of account ism at the end reflects the rest of the book ok sloppy superficial
and in my opinion clearly written in haste with no concern for detailed action
see yes a lot of the book to me at least reads like the author had to meet a
deadline for publication and didn't have enough time to give everything due

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attention and more or less left it in its rough draft state in my opinion the
book is simply a hack job ok nothing to brag about it has its usefulness yes but
it's lacking in much documentation and is not reliable theologically and not a
serious effort not for someone who has a
doctorate in philosophy now if you think I'm being too harsh here keep in mind
that this book has been advertised as though it were basically you know second
only to the Summa Theologica of st. Thomas Aquinas ok so when the standard
has been raised that high I'm going to take the Liberty and measure it
accordingly well hey in a tweet dated May 31st 2019 the day of the release
Marshall said of infiltration that it is quote the greatest literary
accomplishment of my life unquote unfortunately that tweet is no

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longer online but of course I had saved the snapshot so I'll put that in the
show notes for you at track cast dot org scroll down to trap cast number 27 and
click on that link and you'll get all the information there now I can tell you
right now that my reaction to him declaring that this book is the greatest
literary accomplishment of his life my reaction is quite simply I'm sorry to
hear that ok and no I'm not just trying to be
unkind here I really mean that because as we'll see throughout this podcast if
that's the greatest thing he's ever written then I really don't want to read
his other stuff ok his book is sloppy it's partly erroneous it lacks real
theology and without much documentation a lot of the stuff he says you simply
can't rely on it may be true it may be false you wouldn't know it without doing

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your own research all right now let's finally go
ahead and look at the content of infiltration and we'll begin with the
foreword which was written by Bishop Etha neisha Snyder the famous auxiliary
of the Archdiocese of Santa Maria Santa Seema in Astana in Kazakhstan and by the
way since the topic here today is infiltration the city of Astana
Kazakhstan is considered to be the Illuminati capital of the world we've
got a link for you in the show notes on that anyway mr. Schneider wrote the
foreword to Marshalls book and we're going to look at that now because we
have to take issue with it quote the first infiltration in the church
happened with the apostate apostle Judas Iscariot since then there have been in

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the church intruders priests bishops and even in very rare cases popes whom our
Lord called wolves in sheep's clothing
unquote that's from F&H Leiter's forward
for infiltration page Roman numeral 11 all right so what's wrong here well two
things first Judas Iscariot for all his wickedness didn't infiltrate the
Apostolic College he was called by Christ to join him and so he did and
eventually he fell away that has nothing to do with infiltration okay it was
obviously very bad very evil but it wasn't infiltration second Pope's who
are bad who are immoral are not infiltrators either false popes are okay
they are the ones who are truly wolves in sheep's clothing immoral popes true
popes that are great public sinners are not wolves and

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sheep's clothing they're not false popes they're not infiltrators
so at the very outset we can see already that even the books very main topic is
being framed in a way that is inaccurate okay and that simply doesn't speak well
for the work in terms of credibility or quality okay that's all that needs to be
said on this with regard to ethanol's forward and we'll move right on to
chapter 1 in which Taylor Marshall points out quite correctly that the
enemies of Christ have wanted to establish a satanic revolution in the
Catholic Church with the Pope as the devil's puppet what he fails to mention
though is that that is precluded by the divine promises given by Christ in
Matthew 16:18 about the gates of hell not prevailing against the church which

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means in turn that any apparent Pope under the control of Satan could not be
a real Pope but would have to be by divine guarantee a false Pope don't
believe it well here's what Pope Pius the ninth Todd on the matter in his 1853
encyclical in turn multiple each s number seven quote now you know well
that the most deadly foes of the Catholic religion have always waged a
fierce war but without success against this chair they are by no means ignorant
of the fact that religion itself can never taught her and fall while this
chair remains intact the chair which rests on the rock which the proud gates
of Hell cannot overthrow and in which there is the whole and perfect solidity
of the Christian religion unquote now this would have been kind of relevant

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for Taylor Marshall to bring up wouldn't it I don't know why he didn't but it's
clear that it certainly contradicts his recognize and resist position as does
the remedy PI's ix prescribes in the same encyclical the antidote
for the anti-catholic attempts to overthrow the papacy and that is oh
shucks Oh horror complete obedience to the Holy See here's what the Pope says
quote therefore because of your special faith in the church and special piety
toward the same chair of Peter we exhort you to direct your constant efforts so
that the faithful people of France may avoid the crafty deceptions and errors
of these plotters and develop a more filial affection and obedience to this
Apostolic See be vigilant in act and word so that the faithful may grow in

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love for this Holy See venerated and accepted with complete obedience they
should execute whatever the sea itself teaches determines and decrees unquote
again that was Pope eyes the ninth encyclical inter multiplied Ches
paragraph seven alas instead of quoting Pius the ninth Marshall goes on to quote
Paul the sixth about the smoke of Satan having entered the church when Paul the
six himself was of course the ripe fruit of the very infiltration Marshall
laments and announces oh well next let's skip one chapter and move on to chapter
three which is about Our Lady of La Salette and the secret entrusted by the

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Blessed Mother to Melanie Calvin now I've said I'm not going to be nitpicky
so I'm not saying this is a big deal or anything but I want to bring this up
because I've said that Marshalls documentation is sloppy and here's a
clear example of them footnote number 12 found on page 25 says quote the Holy
Office under Pope Benedict the 15th placed a reprinting of the 1879 version
of the secret on the index of forbidden books on May 9th 1923
unquote and what's wrong here is that the Pope in 1923 was pius xi not
Benedict the 15th he died a year earlier okay again that's no big deal
that's a mistake that can easily creep in but it's the kind of thing that
should be caught when proofreading okay especially when Marshall had so many
people read over his manuscript before publication and he says that in this

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book and so I just want to draw attention to it to this as an example of
sloppiness in this greatest literary achievement of Marshalls life okay and
unfortunately sloppiness in documenting sources is not the only problem in this
book as we've been saying oftentimes the documentation is lacking altogether for
example in Chapter six on page 44 we find Marshall quoting Cardinal Mariano
Ram Pola denouncing Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria's imperial intervention in
the 1903 Conclave as quote an affront to the dignity of the sacred College
unquote let's well and good except Marshall doesn't provide any source for
Cardinal Ram polas words I don't doubt that he sent them but if you're going to
quote somebody's and words verbatim you need to put the source from which you've

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taken those words okay I mean any senior in high school knows that junior
probably and Taylor Marshall again has a
PhD in philosophy from the University of Dallas okay next let's look at a
different example where Marshall does give a source for a quotation but an
improper one on page 50 Marshall quotes Pope st. Pius the tenth speaking
informally about how to deal with modernists he said quote for they should
be beaten with fists in a duel you don't
count or measure the blows you strike as you can unquote
now that is a great quote and it is quite accurate but as the source for
these words Marshall gives the book Hitler's Pope by John corn well this is

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pathetic first of all the book Hitler's Pope is
an anti-catholic smear job against Pope Pius the 12th not exactly the kind of
book you want to be quoting from as a Catholic if you can help it okay
secondly Cornwell's book is not a primary source for these words of Pius
the tenth probably not even a secondary source but more like a tertiary one and
while you can't expect Marshall to chase down the ultimate reference to whatever
it might be probably the Vatican's records of the
testimony given for the canonization proceedings of Saint Pius the tenth he
should at least have given the citation that Cornwell himself gives as the
source for this quote and that is Carlo Falcone e's book the Pope's in the 20th

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century published in 1967 at least that book is actually on Saint Pius the tenth
in part and it is what serves as the source for John corn well and it's not
an anti-catholic book again Marshall is a PhD in philosophy he
knows he can't do that he knows how to properly source and Anand document and
footnote so this kind of outrageous sloppiness tells me that Marshall just
didn't care to spend much time with his sources probably because he was in a
rush to get it done I don't know that that speculation but one thing is clear
he didn't do a careful enough job now in case you're wondering how Marshall even
thought of finding this quote in the book Hitler spoke to begin with I have a

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theory okay that book with the corresponding page number is listed as
the source for those words of st. Pius the tenth we're on Wikipedia
could it be ladies and gentlemen that Taylor Marshall didn't care to dig any
further than Wikipedia and his research on the Saint Pius the tenth now
Wikipedia remember can be edited by anyone like I said pathetic okay more
sloppiness can be found on page 56 of infiltration which is part of Chapter
seven Taylor Marshall says that Pope Benedict
the 15th added the title Our Lady of Peace to the litany of Loreto yeah
except he didn't the title Pope Benedict adit was Queen of Peace not Our Lady of

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Peace again not a huge blunder or anything but another instance of
sloppiness that could easily have been avoided now the letter in which Pope
Benedict the 15th decrees that our Lady would be invoked as Queen of Peace in
the litany of Loreto Marshall himself actually quotes from two pages earlier
on page 54 and he footnotes at wrong okay he references it as a letter of
April 27th 1915 but that's not correct Pope Benedict's
letter is dated May 5th 1917 the title of the letter is a venti set day apparel
a Milanovich n toquyen D G which translates as the 27th of April 1915
now that's an odd title for a letter I know but in ecclesiastical documents the
title is always determined by the first few words of the text and the Pope's

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first five words happen to be the 27th of April 1915 because he starts out by
referencing a letter he had written on that date so once again you can see that
Marshall wasn't being all that careful and documenting this carefully document
at work another example of the high quality of Taylor's work can be found on
pages 56 and 57 there Marshall writes and this is concerning Fatima quote just
as these visions ended with the Blessed Sacrament
so they resumed almost eight months later on the Feast of the Blessed
Sacrament May 13th 1917 unquote wrong again the Feast of the Blessed Sacrament
as any Catholic should know is Corpus Christi what is celebrated on May 13th

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is the feast of Our Lady of the Blessed Sacrament that's different then in
chapter 8 on the Conclave of 1922 on page 76 Marshall writes quote Cardinal
guy Don Odle I allegedly said to Cardinal rathi we will elect your
eminence if your eminence will promise that you will not choose Cardinal
gaspari as your Secretary of State unquote and here Marshalls footnote points to
David Kurt sirs book the Pope and Mussolini like Cornwell kertzer to is an
anti-catholic and you just wonder why marshall didn't try to find
a Catholic source to document this quote or at least a Catholic friendly or a
neutral source like for instance heirs of the fisherman by John Peter Pham and
it's not like Curt sirs is the only book that has that quote but then of course

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it is the one mentioned in Wikipedia so maybe that has something to do with it
but to make matters worse Marshall didn't even quote accurately Curt sirs
book has cardinal de lai saying to cardinal Rathi
who by the way became pope pius xi we will vote for your eminence
if etc and yet marshall renders the quote as we will elect your eminence if
not only is that sloppiness it even changes the meaning somewhat i mean come
on even wikipedia got it right copying and pasting shouldn't be that hard
now i imagine there are a number of people listening right now who may be
thinking you know come on what's the big deal well by itself considered as an
isolated incident sure it may not be that big of a deal because we all make

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mistakes that's fine but when you consider it in connection with all the
other gaffes and issues in his book you really just you can't help but conclude
that taylor marshall wasn't putting enough effort into his greatest literary
achievement and we're not even done yet with that episode marshall also quotes
cardinal rotties response which can likewise be found in the kertzer book
however after that quote he puts a footnote to thomas Reese's book inside
the vatican and references page 94 there
so you get the impression that the quote of rotties response is found on page 94
of the reece book except that's not see the book doesn't give any quote of
either cardinal de lie or cardinal Rottie instead it simply mentions that
carla gaspari supporters ended up voting for rod

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and in that way Kaspari was able to remain Secretary of State now I'm sure
it's complete coincidence that the Wikipedia entry for the Conclave of 1922
also references the Reis buck right after the kertzer book right
in any case Taylor Marshalls footnoting is a mess keep that in mind next time
someone tells you that an infiltration everythings footnoted man this has been
exhausting hey why don't we take a quick break I'm sure you're ready for one too
and we'll be back here in just a few moments with more about Taylor Marshalls
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special-edition trap cast dedicated entirely to reviewing Taylor Marshalls
book infiltration the plot to destroy the church from within okay now we'll
move on to chapter 9 on page 89 of this book Marshall talks about Annabel EBU
Nene the chief creator of the new mass and the new sacraments after presenting
some anecdotal evidence that boo Nene was in fact a member of the Masonic
Lodge Marshall says quote this became a scandal in Rome and Pope Paul the sixth
was forced to send his chief liturgist and recently minted archbishop to Iran
as prone nco a surprising and obvious demotion and exile unquote now that is
indeed what is commonly said and in my opinion it's probably true but here I

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just want to add that it is actually not quite so certain that that was the
reason Paul the sixth sent him to Iran even though it may appear that way in
the book Anabella benigni reformer of the liturgy that was published in
english in 2018 author Eve sharone discusses this topic and on page 174 he
concludes quote whatever the case may be this accusation of belonging to
Freemasonry was not the determining factor in Archbishop paninis dismissal
unquote and he presents other reasons for why politics may have done that so I
just wanted to point that out for people interested in the details of that case
and I'm not even faulting Tayla Marshall here I just wanted to let people know
that it's not quite so certain if Paul the sixth exiled him to Iran for being a

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freemason or whether he did so for other reasons however there is something to
fault taylor marshall for here as well on page 90 he writes quote when the
italian Masonic registry was released in 1976 on
the Malibu Nene's name was found on the Masonic register along with his free
Masonic codename buong unquote now Marshall puts a footnote here and
provides his source for that and what do you think his source is I mean we're
talking here about something rather significant the Masonic register
revealing that the chief architect of the new mass of Palo sex was a member of
Freemasonry what source did Marshall get this from what does he provide as
documentation for this claim no it's not Wikipedia this time get this his source
is the book most asked questions about the Society of st. Pius the tenth you

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can't make it up and then he doesn't even provide the year of publication
which would have been useful since there have been a number of editions of this
book and the 1997 Edition that I have doesn't mention that on the page
indicated now I'm not disputing that boo Nene's Masonic code name was boo on or
at least the deaths what was reported in the press back in the 70s not disputing
any of that no the point is that you cannot use a book about the Society of
st. Pius the tenth as your evidence for that that is utterly ridiculous and with
a PhD in philosophy Taylor Marshall knows that all right
the next thing I want to take issue with is found in chapter 10 on page 95
footnote number 56 Marshall quotes Pope Pius the 12th when he was still Cardinal

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Eugenio Pacelli speaking to count enrico galley Yahtzee and this is taken from
the book P ladoos iam div only stuff which translates as Pius the 12th before
history Cardinal Pacelli says quote I am concerned by the Blessed Virgin z'
message - Lucia of Fatima Mary's persistence
about the dangers that Menace the church is a divine warning against the suicide
of altering the faith in her liturgy her theology and her soul I hear all around
me innovators who wish to dismantle the sacred chapel destroy the universal
flame of the church reject her ornaments and make her feel remorse for her
historical past a day will come when the civilized world will deny its God when
the church will doubt as Peter doubt it she will be tempted to believe that man

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has become God in our church as Christians we'll search in vain for the
red lamp where God awaits them like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb
they will ask where have they taken him unquote
now that quote is fairly well known and though Marshall does reference the
correct and original source he doesn't give the name or location of the
publisher which is standard practice and he also doesn't mention who translated
the passage which would have been nice since the book he's quoting from is
written in French so again he's being sloppy and by now we can see that
Marshall sloppiness isn't isolated to a few rare cases it's all throughout the
book see when someone pays that little attention to sources it simply makes you
wonder what's going on especially because here we're talking about a book
that isn't worth much without source documentation right I mean what good is

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it to narrate things about an infiltration of the Catholic Church if
in the end it's all just based on your say-so for a book like this
documentation is crucial because even if you're right in everything you say
unless you're documenting it people wouldn't know it's right as we said in
the first segment so that's the reason why I'm attaching so much importance to
Marshalls abysmal documentation practices it matters it's crucial to
provide good sources everything footnoted ah yes thanks and with that
common tailor actually reveals that he knows very much how important proper
documentation is because otherwise it's just Taylor telling stories and I don't
think too many people would be interested in that
oh and then regarding this quote of Cardinal Pacelli to count Galeazzi in

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one of his many interviews about his book Marshall said that some people
disputed the authenticity of this quote and he emphasized how he located the
original source for that and I was really puzzled when I heard that because
it's not like that was particularly difficult to find I mean it shouldn't
take you more than three minutes on Google and you'll have the original
source and even before the internet was as big and is widely used as it is today
that source was given in the pertinent literature like in Chris Ferreira and
Tom woods book the great facade published in 2002 there you'll find it
referenced on page 7 and again on page 60 for instance that was 18 years ago so
it's not like Marshall pulled off this tremendous find of some mysterious
hidden work so I found that really odd that he acted like he had you know whoa

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located the real source that source has been around alright let's move on to
chapter 11 which is about Pius the 12th as the Pope of Fatima on page 98
Marshall quotes from the second Secret of fátima as follows quote when you see
a night illumined by an unknown light know that this is the great sign given
you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes by means of war
famine and persecutions of the church and of the holy father to prevent this I
shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the
communion of reparation on the first Saturdays if my requests are heeded
show will be converted and there will be peace if not she will spread her errors
throughout the world causing Wars and persecutions of the church the good will

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be martyred the Holy Father will have much to suffer various nations will be
annihilated in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph the Holy Father will
consecrate Russia to me and she shall be converted and a period of peace will be
granted to the world unquote now leaving out of account the fact that the source
marshal references is only a secondary source meaning it in turn quotes another
source and aside from the fact that marshal didn't even transcribe the quote
accurately he changed punctuation and added a word leaving all of that out of
account I want to draw your attention to the fact that marshal obviously didn't
pay close enough attention to our lady's words here because our lady here speaks
of persecutions of the church and of the Holy Father and she says that the Holy

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Father will have much to suffer now if you look at the so-called Pope's of the
Vatican 2sec they didn't have much to suffer did they and they certainly
weren't the object of persecution rather they caused much suffering especially
Francis they have been the ones to persecute the church by changing the
Catholic religion changing the faith the mass the sacraments and causing untold
spiritual suffering for souls so this is one major part of fátima that
the recognize and resists traditionalists like marshal like John
Salazar Chris Ferreira and others always seemed to gloss over during the great
apostasy the Pope is persecuted he doesn't do the persecuting okay he
endures much suffering he doesn't cause suffering for Catholics certainly not

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with regard to their faith or their spiritual health all right then
for Chapter 12 we hear about Anabella Bernini again okay on page 103 Marshall
writes that quote in 1948 Pius the 12th appointed the controversial priest
father Annabella Bernini to the Commission for liturgical reform unquote
yes Pius the 12th did do that but Marshall doesn't say
whether or not Bernini was controversial already back then if he was known to be
controversial and if so why okay so it's
not clear whether he's faulting the Pope
or or what I mean is he saying that Pius the 12th did know or could have known
should have known that boo Nene was a bad apple or is he saying that Benini
didn't reveal himself to be a liturgical reco Vater until sometime later
what's Marshall saying were not told he just states that pi is the 12th

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appointed the controversial blue meanie then on the pages 104 and 105 Marshall
makes a whole bunch of claims about PI's the 12s revision of the Holy Saturday
Easter Vigil but without offering any proof for what he's saying so for
instance he's criticizing the transfer of the Easter Vigil from the morning to
the night and he makes arguments against
that but he doesn't back any of it up so for example he claims that the people
PI's the 12th had put in charge of looking into revising the Easter Vigil
quote concluded that they would need to rewrite the entire Holy Saturday Mass to
can form holy Saturday to this night timeslot unquote well okay maybe so but
he sure doesn't give any evidence for it no documentation nothing it's the same
old problem we see recur in his book again and again the reader is simply

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being asked to believe Marshall to trust him well for a book on the infiltration
of the Catholic Church that supposedly carefully documented I'm sorry but
that's not good enough now when Pope Pius the 12th made changes
to Holy Week in 1955 he called his revisions a restoration PI's the 12th
revised order of Holy Week is therefore called the restored Holy Week on page
104 of his book Marshall comments quote sadly Pope Pius the 12th unwisely chose
father Annabella Bernini to accomplish a restoration of something that never
previously existed unquote now if he wants to argue that that may be fine for
him to do but then he's going to have to
provide evidence and then he'd also have to interact with evidence brought up to
the contrary for example in the April 1957 edition of the American

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ecclesiastical Review Father John H Millar published an article entitled the
history and spirit of Holy Week which explains the restored vigil of Pius the
12th from a historical perspective if Marshall thinks that's bogus he needs to
address the evidence and refute it instead he just makes claims like he
does with the issue of con celebration when page 105 he writes that father
Bernini convinced Pius the 12th to permit kinsella bration in 1956 but
again no evidence given it's just a claim so Marshall basically leaves it to
the reader to do his research Marshall asserts and then the reader
gets to figure out if what he says is true awesome
of course that modus operandi continues also in chapter 13 on page 107 Marshall

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says about pi is the twelfth quote his friends and acquaintances noted a
drastic change in his personality beginning in 1954 unquote again that may
be true or it may be false I have no idea it would have been really great if
Marshall had given us a source for that claim but of course he didn't and I
would have taken real work you know real painful research it's much easier to
just assert lean back and claim everything's footnoted and I'm not even
disputing it I'm just saying he needs to prove it now some might say that that's
not serious enough of a claim to require documentation okay but then how about
this one on page 108 referring to giovanni battista Montini the future
Paul the sixth Marshall says that quote in effect it was Montini who ran the
Holy See and the papacy from 1955 until the death of PI's the 12th in 1958

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unquote that's quite a claim especially considering that Montini was the
archbishop of milan at that point evidence given by Marshall none on the
same page talking about the Third Secret
of fátima Marshall writes quote when the Third Secret came to the Vatican it was
placed in a safe in the papal apartments as shown in a photograph in paris match
magazine unquote while there the author is at least doing us the favor of
identifying the magazine the volume and addition year of publication and page
number would have been nice to know as well but yeah that's kind of absent on
page 111 Marshall notes that quote the Confessor of Pope Pius the 12th had been
the stalwart omus theologian Michel Louie
Gerard DeLaurier Opie who had helped to write the 1950 dogmatic decree on the

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bodily assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary unquote I believe that is correct
not that he provides any documentation for it but what I find interesting here
is that although he lost father Gerard to Laurier as a stalwart Thomas he fails
to mention that that great thinker eventually became a state of a contest
and was consecrated a bishop in 1981 he just thought that that would have been
nice to mention likewise on page 111 Marshall refers to the Vatican two
declaration Nostra atonte as quote the controversial document on
the nuoc you - ohm unquote yeah except that the Vatican two decree on Okuma ISM
is unit at is read integrate Co what Marshall is talking about here Nostra
Aetate a is the declaration of the church to non-christian religions that's

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in a religious dialogue not accumulative to are related but they're not the same
thing see when an author fails to understand such basic distinctions he's
just not helping his credibility next we're going to skip to chapter 15 where
Marshall claims that when John the 23rd announced his intention to convoke an
ecumenical council the conservative Cardinals Ernesto Ruffini and Alfredo
italiani supported the idea now that's the first
I ever heard that which doesn't mean it's not true of course but again
Marshall doesn't provide any evidence so
you're being asked to simply believe him sorry Taylor not good enough then in
chapter 16 on Vatican 2 Marshall writes quote devout Catholics often defend
Vatican 2 by saying that it was hijacked and that is certainly the case but the

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question is when and by whom as will become clear pope john xxiii and his
favorites Benigni baya and Montini had already set the optimistic new order
or Novus Ordo agenda Benigni would create the Novus Ordo liturgy bayit
would create Novus Ordo a queue and primacy of conscience over dogma and
Montini would become the Novus Ordo Pope unquote and that's from pages 127 and
128 when I first read that I thought to myself oh that's interesting
so Marshall believes the new church gave him a false liturgy a false Okuma nism
but a true Pope yeah that makes sense right
everything Novus Ordo is false except the Pope he's definitely real and legit
couldn't possibly be fake got it moving on to chapter 19 and you can see I'm
skipping here because the chapters are fairly short and we need to get through

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this chapter xix is entitled theological infiltration of vatican ii and it talks
about how the new theologians such as Karl Rahner had a major impact on the
council's theology but the odd thing is that Marshall calls it an infiltration
when of course these new theologians with all their crazy ideas had been
officially appointed by John the 23rd to participate in the council in other
words they had been invited to be there okay and so they showed up that's not
infiltration by definition infiltration is secret or deceptive Rahner didn't
infiltrate the council he was ordered to go to it by a man Marshall believes was
the pope john xxiii I mean he says so himself on page 137 John the 23rd

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appointed runner as aparatus or expert at Vatican 2 Marshall says that so he
really can't speak of infiltration here and he can't speak of theological
infiltration either since the theology of Colorado was not a secret
in fact Marshall himself says on that same page that the new theologians that
engineered the council had been suspect of heresy under Pope Pius the 12th so to
speak of infiltration with regard to Vatican 2 is wrong
it wasn't an infiltration of the council
it was an invitation to it given by john xxiii that the new theologians happily
accepted now it's true that they hijacked the council in a sense because
they were able to get all the preparatory work junked and replaced it
with their own theology but hijacking and infiltration are two different things

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so here marshall is continuing the false notion of infiltration that was
introduced by Athanasian Eider in the books forward when talking about Judas
having supposedly infiltrated the church that we talked about earlier in the
first segment still on the same page a page 137 and
going into page 138 Marshall writes quote rauner introduced a new
ecclesiology in which the Church of Christ is not the Catholic Church but
rather subsists in the Catholic Church this seems to contradict the teaching of
Pope Pius the 12th and as 1943 encyclical mr. G corporis that the
mystical body of Christ and the Catholic Church are one in the same entity
unquote yeah except that the subsists in formulation wasn't introduced by Karl

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Rahner it was introduced by the Dutch Jesuit father Sebastian Trump come on
even wikipedia says that but don't take my word for it or Wikipedia's anyone who
seriously researches this will quickly find that it was father Trump who came
up with that formulation and that is actually quite tragic because Trump was
not a modernist he was Orthodox he was part of the italiani Fenton camp in fact
and this is incredibly ironic father Trump had been the ghostwriter of Pope
Pius the 12th magnificent and cyclical on the church mr. G corporis and that
goes to show that even a brilliant theologian can come up with an idea to
solve a difficulty and be unaware of its wide-ranging consequences in this case
the theologian proposed wording that is actually subversive of the true doctrine

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anyway the long and the short of it is the subsists in clause of vatican ii
Sluman gentium does not come from collar
on ER as taylor marshall claims but from Sebastian Trump and you will find that
for example in the article subsisted in non exclusive identity or full identity
by Christopher Molloy published in the Thomas vol 72 issue number one
January 2008 you can also find it in the article salvation and the church Feeney
Fenton and the making of lumen gentium by Guardian Zoot vex published in Levein
studies volume 37 pages 147 to 178 and lastly you can find it too in the
article heck ecclesia subsisted in ecclesia católica the subsistence of the

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Church of Christ as a starting point toward Catholic unity my Reverend Nicola
der pitch published in Alpha Omega volume 21 number 2 in 2018 now for all
those interests that we have linked these articles in the show notes for you
so you can do what Taylor Marshall clearly didn't do and that is real
research although I'm not encouraging anyone to actually read these articles
because you know they're all written by Knowles or toes so I'm just linking them
as documentation that Taylor Marshalls greatest literary achievement is not
quite so great you can access the notes for this show at track cast dot org just
scroll down to trap cast number 27 and click on that link continuing now we're
not done yet with page 137 of Marshalls book he writes quote Cardinal Ottaviani

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attempted to convince Pius the 12th to excommunicate runner on three occasions
all to no avail unquote now for that specific and
significant of a claim can you guess what evidence the author provides you
got it absolutely none Taylor once again just wants you to believe him I know
this is getting old alright skipping ahead to page 143
Marshall says quote Pope Paul the sixth promulgated denied at his home on a on
December 7th 1965 and the next day he closed the Second Vatican Council and
stayed at the Magisterium of the church did not
wish to pronounce itself under the form of extraordinary dogmatic pronouncements
this effectively hamstrung the council it's true that theological statements
are made throughout the conciliar documents yet the council made no

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extraordinary dogmatic pronouncements nothing binding came from vatican ii
paul the six clarified this a little over one month later when he explained
in view of the pastoral nature of the council it has avoided proclaiming in an
extraordinary manner any dogma carrying the mark of infallibility by a divine
miracle the pope a fad akin to taught that vatican ii contained no
extraordinary dogma and did not carry the mark of infallibility meaning the
documents of vatican ii are fallible and may contain error unlike the previous
twenty ecumenical councils the pope placed an asterisk next to vatican ii
unquote oh man where to begin first of all the quote from Paul the sixth that
the Magisterium of the church did not wish to pronounce itself under the form

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of extraordinary dogmatic pronouncements is not from the closing speech the day
after December 7th but is from the closing speech given on December 7th
there were actually two closings because on December 7th Paul the six closed the
fourth session of the council and on December 8th he closed the council
altogether and the funny thing is that Marshall actually got it right in the
footnote this time he just didn't get it right in the text what a mess
secondly although the quote Marshall gives is accurate it's only a partial
quote but he doesn't indicate that he makes it look as though he were quoting
the entire sentence and get this the portion he omitted contradicts what he
claims and we'll look at the full quote in just a minute but first I want to
mention that second quote of Paul the sixth at
Marshall provides suffers from the exact same problem the words are quoted

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accurately but the sentence is truncated and the portion he left out contradicts
the point he's making so you really have to ask yourself how did this man get a
PhD in philosophy I mean you do that in your doctoral dissertation and it's over
okay you can kiss your PhD goodbye all right so let's look at the full quotes
now remember Marshall is saying that Paul the six by a divine miracle or
divine providence said at the end of Vatican two that hey the council isn't
infallible isn't binding and he basically issued one gigantic disclaimer
ring an asterisk that's what Marshall is saying now here
is what Paul the sixth actually said and yes we have that link in the show notes
for you so you can look it up yourself quote but one thing must be noted here

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namely that the teaching authority of the church even though not wishing to
issue extraordinary dogmatic pronouncements has made thoroughly known
its authoritative teaching on a number of questions which today weigh upon
man's conscience and activity descending
so to speak into a dialogue with him but ever preserving its own authority and
force it has spoken with the accommodating friendly voice of pastoral
charity its desire has been to be heard and understood by everyone it has not
merely concentrated on intellectual understanding but has also sought to
express itself in simple up-to-date conversational style derived from actual
experience in a cordial approach which make it more vital attractive and
persuasive yes spoken to modern man as he is unquote that's the first quote

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from the closing speech of the fourth session of the council December 7th 1965
taken straight from the Vatican website the next quote is from Paul the sixth
speaking at its general audience on January 12 1966 quote some people have
asked what authority what theological qualification the
council intended to attribute to its teaching since it clearly avoided
issuing solemn dogmatic definitions that would involve the infallibility of the
Magisterium the answer is clear for anyone who recalls the council
declaration issued on March 6th 1964 and repeated on November 16 1964 in view of
the pastoral nature of the council it avoided any extraordinary statement of
dogmas that would be endowed with the note of infallibility but it still
provided its teaching with the authority

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of the supreme ordinary Magisterium this ordinary Magisterium which is so
obviously official has to be accepted with docility and sincerity by all the
faithful in accordance with the mind of the council on the nature and aims of
the individual documents unquote and that translation appeared in the Pope
speaks volume 11 number 2 spring 1966 on
pages 152 to 154 now given what you just heard Paul the sixth actually said do
you still think that Taylor Marshall is justified and saying that nothing
binding came from Vatican 2 hardly and it gets worse
Taylor didn't tell you probably because he doesn't know because it didn't do

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enough research he didn't tell you that at the end of each of the 16 documents
issued by Vatican to Paul the sixth solemnly included the following words
quote what has been set down in this constitution or decree or Declaration
whatever type of document at was what has been set down in this
constitution has been accepted by the fathers of the sacred council in its
entirety and in all its parts and together with the venerable council
fathers we by the apostolic power granted to us by Christ approve decree
and establish it and we order that what has thus been established in Senate be
promulgated for the glory of God unquote so anyone who believes that Paul the
sixth was a true Pope like Taylor Marshall for example is obliged to

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affirm that every jot and tittle of the council has been established in the
Catholic Church by the Vicar of Christ with his apostolic Authority for the
glory of God now some will say that they've never seen these words of Paul
the sixth at the end of any Vatican 2 document and that may be because they're
not always included in the body of the text because there are the formula of
promulgation and some additions instead of repeating them for each document
simply mention them only once in the introduction so for example father
Walter Abbott's the documents of Vatican 2 mentions the formula of promulgation
at the end of each document whereas father Austin Flannery's Vatican Council
to the conciliar and post conciliar documents does not include the formula

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with each document but instead just mentions in the introduction page Roman
numeral 20 that each document ends that way and if you look at the Vatican
website which also has the documents of Vatican 2 you will actually find that
they've included the formula for some of the documents but not for others yeah
whatever so now you know the rest of the story
and you can see what Taylor Marshalls research is worth truncated sentences
omitted relevant facts to Dornan evidence not good looks to me
like we're gonna have to put an asterisk next to Taylor Marshall back to
infiltration on page 145 Marshall talks about the reform of the reform without
so much as explaining what that term even means or what it's about
it basically means taking the liturgical reform of Paul the sex the the new mass

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and reforming that and this time in a more conservative more traditional
direction in line with what its proponents believe is the true spirit of
vatican ii in other words put some latin back in the new mass half the presider
face the tabernacle instead of the people more reverence and so on that's
what's typically understood by reform of
the reform but you wouldn't know it from reading infiltration chapter 20 on the
infiltration of the Sacred Liturgy on pages 147 and 148 Marshall first quotes
from st. Pius the tense Motu Proprio trial a solid G to Dini of 1903 as
follows quote filled as we are with a most art and desire to see the true
Christian spirit flourish in every respect and be preserved by all the

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faithful we deem it necessary to provide before anything else for the sanctity
and dignity of the temple in which the faith will assemble for no other object
than that of acquiring the spirit from its foremost and indispensable font
which is the active participation in the most holy mysteries and in the public
and solemn prayer of the church unquote so that's pi is the tenth now Marshall
comments as follows quote liturgical scholars note that this is the first
historical exhortation to active participation of the laity in the
liturgy the text however has been exaggerated in the Italian translation
which reads about teapot Sione ateva and also in the
English version which reads active participation in the original latin
version of the text the qualifier active is nowhere present quest participate Co

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divinorum mystery' Orem or which is the participation in the divine mysteries
the idea of active participation is not the official Latin version of the text
it has been added unquote now if that doesn't sound like Marshall did some
great research there huh yeah well he may have done some research but it
wasn't enough because it just so happens that when you look this stuff up in the
official Vatican documents you find out that this Motu Proprio was written in
Italian not in Latin the Latin is the translation so when he says that the
phrase active participation doesn't appear in the original and was
exaggerated by the translators that's false

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it does appear in the Italian original if anything it was toned down for the
translation in Latin it should have been
obvious that trial a solid cheater Denis was originally written in Italian and
not in Latin because the title is Italian that's not a Latin title and
Marshall knows it because as a PhD in philosophy he knows one remember how we
said earlier that the title of a papal document is always determined by the
first few words well it's the case here - and those words are Italian you find
that also in other documents such as pi is the tense not as opposed to leak our
apostolic mandate which was written in French Oran pius xi Smith bran and Azula
gay with burning concern which was written in German then if you look at
Marshall source citation on this which is sloppy as always

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points you to page 388 of the Octus sangtae Sade's of course without giving
you the volume number but it's volume 36
and when you go there when you look that up you see the latin text of this moto
proprio begins on page 387 and there is a footnote there which is kind of hard
to miss and that footnote says quote the
official text written in italian appears in this same volume on page 329 unquote
so there you have it not only is the italian the original language the
document was written in it is also the official version of the text the latin
is just a translation and not normative so that torpedos Marshalls entire
argument about active participation not being found in the original and official

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version of pious the tense Motu Proprio trial Isola g2 Denis well sometimes it's
a good idea to actually read the sources you reference all right I'm exhausted
we're only about halfway through the book but I think I'm beginning to
understand why this is a crisis publication Taylor Marshall has no idea
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