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the traditional roman catholic podcast that mops the floor with jorge bergoglio
and other false popes and false prophets of the vatican ii church [Music]
[Applause] thank you for tuning in this is episode number
33. and now let's get started on february 18th of this year there was
an 80-minute live special broadcast on churchmilitant.com
on the topic is bergoglio really the pope hosted by michael voris
now of course you know how he answered that question but that's not the
interesting thing here in fact the show wasn't directed so much

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against set of accountism as against the increasingly popular belief
that benedict xvi never resigned validly and therefore remains pope so to speak
we've called this belief resignationism others have termed it benevocatism
bene papism or the bip theory bip standing for benedict is pope
anyway we're going to go ahead now and listen in on a few clips of that program
because we just can't let michael voris get away with some of the stuff he said
you know some people just have poor memory and i guess church militant was
counting on that you'll know exactly what i mean in just
a minute scandal must be confronted that means all scandals anything that can be
seen as giving a permission to sin any sin
and leaving the church counts as a sin as well as leading people out of the

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church that's wicked and sinful as well ah good to know
ironically however i remember a day and it wasn't all that long ago when
practically everybody was bewildered by and denouncing france's scandals from
the rooftops except church militant but not only was the michael voris
operation silent then they actually had the gall to condemn
those like us and also many non-sateva contests who were taking issue with
francis as promoters of spiritual pornography yeah that's what they called it
you see on their frequently asked questions page they used to have a link
to a page called public criticism of the pope
that page was updated a few times over the years until it was finally removed
because you know they ended up doing the exact

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thing they had been telling people for years was wrong to do
but not to worry folks we've saved a few
versions of that page over the years and we're putting links to some of the
archived versions in the show notes for this episode tratcast 33
you can access the show notes if they're not already showing on your listening
device at trackcast.org simply scroll down to trapcast33
click on that link and that will give you all you need for this show
now together with links to some of the archived versions of this page this
public criticism of the pope page we're also giving you the original link for
what used to be that page so you can see what happens
when you click that link now you're sent to a page that asks you to

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make a donation to church militant how interesting
well so let's have a quick look at the archived version of the public criticism
of the pope page as it was publicly accessible on october 2nd 2017.
at the very top we find a quote from saint catherine of siena quote
even if the pope were an incarnate devil we ought not to raise up our heads
against him but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom
he who rebels against our father is condemned to death for that which we do
to him we do to christ we honor christ if we honor the pope we
dishonor christ if we dishonor the pope unquote
yep saint catherine is exactly right it doesn't make a difference as to how
immoral of a catholic the pope is as long as he truly is the pope

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and for that he has to be a catholic obviously we must accept his teaching
his laws his decisions for the church the case of jorge bergoglio is quite
different though because bergoglio does not even profess the true faith
he's a modernist through and through so it's not that he's a bad catholic he's
not a catholic in any case church militant accepts
francis as pope and at this point constantly mocks and criticizes him the very
thing that saint catherine said was not permissible because we dishonor christ
if we dishonor the pope yeah so church militant obviously had a
little change of heart there because they are now disobeying and disagreeing
with the saintly advice of saint catherine

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anyway also on that page we find links to as many as six different episodes
of michael voris's vortex program in which he makes the case that francis
ought not to be criticized publicly that is followed by quite a few
paragraphs of text from which i'm now going to quote a little bit
quote it is our judgment that most catholics
should neither read nor have easy access to articles and essays that could be
judged insulting to the pope such writings should be published and
reserved for those capable of engaging them without risk of damage to their
faith in the church and the vicar of christ
we make these recommendations for the same reasons that we discourage people
from visiting said of a contest and pornography websites they are potential
occasions of sin from which masters of the spiritual life

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are unanimous in their recommendation of flight rather than fight
they lead people to think or do things they would not otherwise have thought or
done and almost without exception those things are harmful to one's spiritual
life unquote so that approach too they have since
abandoned since they themselves are now providing easy access to articles and
essays that could be judged insulting to the pope as they put it
a little further on we find this quote the church herself cannot be our
enemy and that perception is precisely what trench and criticism of the pope
invites and enables there may be apostasy throughout the church even at
the very top but the church doesn't cease to be the
church any more than our lord cease to be our lord during his passion and death

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we shouldn't and don't need to go looking for reasons to lose faith in the
church unquote so i guess that by reporting on
francis's heresies blasphemies and other scandals church militant is now trying
to get people to lose faith in the church is that it
i mean come on you know either their approach was wrong then or it is wrong now
in any case what a ridiculous ecclesiology they have
hey look the church may be an apostasy but that doesn't mean it ceases to be
the church because then the gates of hell would have prevailed i mean seriously
do these people ever listen to themselves if you believe that the
catholic church can spread apostasy then you've already lost faith in the church
and that has nothing to do with oh you know it's the passion of the church
well there's no doubt that the catholic church is undergoing her own mystical

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passion right now but that does not mean she can start teaching heresy or that
she can persecute the faithful or lead souls to hell
our lord was cruelly scourged beaten and crucified but he did not betray his
disciples he did not mislead anyone he did not suddenly preach a false gospel
or do the work of the devil so there is no analogy between the passion of christ
and the vatican ii church further on in the text church militant
writes this quote those who relentlessly criticize the church her leaders and
especially the holy father risk doing immense harm to the church herself and
discouraging both potential converts and those struggling to stay faithful
through the crisis that is all around us unquote

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all right so much for scandal must be confronted scandal must be confronted
and there's more quote a line must be drawn when it comes
to harsh criticism of the holy father even when he says or does things that
would invite appropriate criticism when said or done by those of lower
ecclesiastical rank aaron priests and bishops can be
replaced the pope cannot the pope represents and symbolizes the unity of
the church in a way that bishops and priests do not unquote
okay so again i suppose that's no longer the case now since
church militant constantly bashes francis now and quite rightly so of course
next church militant appeals to sacred scripture to make its case for refusing
to report on bergoglio's heresies blasphemies and other scandals
as of late 2017 when this page was still up

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the argument being made is that francis is behaving somewhat like noah who ended
up accidentally exposing himself after he drunk too much wine and cham one of
his three sons told his brothers sem and japheth about it
the passage in question is genesis chapter 9 verses 18 through 27
and i'm going to read that now from the douay-rheims version
quote and the sons of noah who came out of the ark were sem cham and japheth and
chem is the father of canaan these three are the sons of noah and
from these was all mankind spread over the whole earth
and noah a husbandman began to till the ground and planted a vineyard
and drinking of the wine was made drunk and was uncovered in his tent
which when cham the father of canaan had seen to wit that his father's nakedness

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was uncovered he told it to his two brethren without
but sem and japheth put a cloak upon their shoulders and going backward
covered the nakedness of their father and their faces were turned away and
they saw not their father's nakedness and noah awaking from the wine when he
had learned what his younger son had done to him he said cursed be canaan a
servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren
and he said blessed be the lord god of sem be canaan his servant
may god enlarge japheth and may he dwell in the tents of sem
and canaan be his servant unquote so this is a bit difficult to understand
in this archaic language but essentially
noah's son chem thought it was hilarious
what his father had done and gossiped to his brothers about it
whereas those brothers immediately went to cover him up so as to preserve or

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restore his dignity and so church militant was making the
argument that we should not be like cham and expose bergoglio's scandals but
instead cover them up refuse to talk about them and so keep the dignity of
the papacy intact here is what church militants said quote
a strong case can be made that pope bashing sites and publications and those
who write for them are walking in the footsteps of cham by telling others of
their father's nakedness scripture gives us the example of sem and japheth who
covered the nakedness of their father their faces were turned away and they
saw not their father's nakedness the sons of noah knew
that their father was naked but they chose to cover it unquote

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so that was michael voris's position then right in as late as october of 2017
but that's all been abandoned since right now they're big time into the
business of exposing the scandals of the quote unquote pope
which is of course why they have since removed that page
and by the way as far as covering up france's uh heresy scandals and blasphemies
that really does give a whole new meaning to the term covering the news
doesn't it and back then they were also saying this
quote no good is served by giving people the impression that the pope is not
catholic even if it can be alleged that there is reason to believe he is not
trashing the holy father discourages those struggling to remain faithful to
the catholic church as well as those considering conversion to the catholic
church unquote okay so apparently then lots of good is now being served

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by making clear that bergoglio is not a catholic and that no longer apparently
discourages conversion to the vatican ii church interesting how things change
now the last sentence on that public criticism of the pope page underwent a
little adjustment over the years in the november 4th 2016 version of the page
the last sentence read quote churchmilitant.com will not engage in
public criticism of the pope period unquote
by october 2nd 2017 roughly a year later that had morphed into quote
churchmilitant.com will not engage in harsh public criticism of the pope
period unquote and now well now they do in fact engage in harsh public criticism

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of the man they believe to be the pope period
okay now why am i bringing all of this up is it not permitted to change one's
position of course it is but the reason i'm bringing it up
is not because you know oh look vorace changed his position how dare he no
it's because voris now pretends that he didn't change his position that he had
always criticized francis from the very beginning
and so with all of this background that i just gave you
let's now go back and listen to the audio of the february 18th 2022 special
broadcast of church militant live on whether francis is really the pope
now lots of people are you know sort of have the opinion oh church military you
know they don't say anything about the pope and all this sort of stuff and

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everything let's be very clear first of all about
our credentials church militant has resisted francis's bad papacy
look at this list here these are just a smattering of various stories that we
have done since he was elected in 2013. we have gone in great depth in the china
deal and mccarrick's ties to it and mccarrick's you know horror and the
nightmare of him and everything that he did we about him slamming tradition uh
you know restoring mccarrick just a matter of weeks according to archbishop
vegano uh we've you know covered that a matter of weeks after francis uh was
elected uh his frightening embrace of homosexuality and
people like james martin and you know saying civil unions are probably a good
thing and all of that we've gone and covered all of the synods the
extraordinary families uh centered on the family the ordinary synod of the
family we confronted all kinds of you know cardinals and archbishops on
everything who are towing the pope francis line guys bring the graphic back

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up please if you could we have also uh you know we were the ones who broke the
news that he told a high ranking obviously uh uh resident cardinal of rome
quote i want the confusion church militant brought you that news because
it was told directly to us other outlets picked it up
we're the ones who told you those are direct words from pope francis himself
and we're the ones who told you that we've told you about him covering up bad
bishops promoting bad men demoting good ones so we're just putting all of this
out here right now to let you know that we have viewed the pope francis papacy
as very problematic from day one and we have treated it as best we can as loyal
catholic oh really now from day one well let's see day one was march 13th 2013.
that was a long time ago and in the very beginning not only was church militant
not covering any of the bad stuff about bergoglio well

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i guess they were actually covering it yes
um no michael voris actually bent over backwards to spin francis into an ultra
conservative remember that but those aren't the only
comments homilies and remarks the holy father has made that are catholic in
challenging catholics to be more stalwart and rigid yes rigid in their
faith he said quote but when we start to cut down the faith to negotiate the
faith a little like selling it to the highest bidder we take the path of
apostasy of disloyalty to the lord did you hear that seminary formation teams
bam pope francis talks like a pope like the successor to saint peter
bam what a decisive thing to say my oh my there goes yet another pope being all
catholic and all that yeah bam that was the famous bam vortex of may 6 2013

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duly linked in the show notes so that is what michael voris was doing on
day one so to speak other examples abound for instance in a video dated november
26 2013 vorace was making the case that after the first eight months francis was
now advancing to the mature stage of his pontificate becoming francis the pope
take for example these first few months of our holy father's pontificate he has
been warmly embraced by atheists and rock stars and a fawning diabolical media
seemingly with more thrills for him than even over obama heck even the child
killer in chief was oozing over the vicar of christ recently but what is not
being reported by the theological modernists and the social liberals is
that pope francis is distancing himself now from the image that has been painted

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of him by that crowd and becoming more of francis the pope as opposed to just
warm and fuzzy pope francis now look i won't blame michael voris for allowing
francis to mislead him with some conservative quotes but i do blame him
for now claiming that he's been critical of francis from day one that's simply
not true vorus was doing all he could to present francis as that modernist
smacking super pope he never was in fact even as late as april 8th 2016
the day the scandalous exhortation amoris letizia was released
church militant gave a rather positive presentation of the document
and quick reminder here in the mars letitia bergoli slyly included a loophole

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in paragraph 305 and especially footnote 351 a loophole that basically permits
unrepentant adulterers to receive holy communion
furthermore francis even says in paragraph 303
that people can legitimately arrive at the conviction that god desires them to
commit adultery on account of the complexity of their situation
so what did michael voris do did he rip the document to shreds did he expose all
this not at all the church militant report on amors
letitia simply cherry-picked the good and orthodox stuff and was silent on the
rest you can see it for yourself because we put the link in the show notes
what's particularly distasteful about that is that on march 21st 2013 vorace

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was busy condemning the secular media for quoting francis selectively and so
spin his message now many of the media and their secular slap dogs aren't so
concerned or even believing that pope francis is going to come out and give
his seal of approval boom to same-sex marriage or contraception or whatever
but but but if they can keep the public mindset about him one of
look how different he is from benedict it will be all the easier for them down
the road to start selectively quoting from future sermons and encyclicals and
whatever so they can spin his words now it is true that vorus and his gang did
cover the controversy about amoris letizia especially what high-ranking
prelate said about it and then the dubia and all that but church militant tried
to do what they could to save francis to find an acceptable interpretation etc

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in no way were they you know exposing how bad francis is from day one not at all
in fact three days after the release of amoris leticia church militant writer
bradley eli published an article on the church militant website entitled pope
francis no communion for divorced and remarried catholics yes you heard that
right that article was based on something francis had said in an
interview a few weeks prior prior to the
release of amoris letizia and so bradley eli was using those comments to now put
spin on amors letitia and so that's exactly what i mean when i
say that they were doing all they could to save francis
now again i'm not trying to blame them for falling for bergoglio's misleading
tactics i am blaming them for now pretending that they were critical of
francis from the very beginning quite the contrary in fact the obvious

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refusal on vorus's part to condemn francis for the very same things he was
constantly blasting other high-ranking clerics for
is what we nicknamed the vorus virus on novus order watch
likewise it was because of michael voris's habit of ignoring france's
scandals while happily reporting on the scandals of everyone else that we called
his vortex program the ignore text and we had quite a few blog posts on
that those are linked in the show notes as well at some point vorace then began
to accuse those who were exposing francis as spiritual or ecclesiastical
pornographers while presenting himself as the righteous one covering noah's
nakedness now while it is true that church
militant has exposed a lot of bad stuff from francis

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that basically all didn't start until the middle of 2018 well over five years
into bergoglio's reign of error so the report on when francis said i
want the confusion yes it was church militant that broke
that story but that wasn't until october 7th 2019
got the link in the show notes all right let's listen to some more from the
church militant special live broadcast of february 18th 2022 we'd also like to
remind you that of what we did almost five years ago in a vortex
you holy father as every catholic must do and in a state of sin should accuse
and judge yourself guilty now while you still have air in your lungs and dispose
of the wicked heretics and sodomites you have shamelessly collected around
yourself so that they may never have a role in electing your successor

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then as your last act in office you should resign the papacy and spare holy
mother church and the people of god any further harm and evil that you could
inflict upon them that was five years ago so anybody who
wants to say oh we don't really say anything about the pope hogwash we have
been on this track from the very beginning wrong
that was not five years ago mr vorus that video entitled church militant
statement on the pope was published on august 27 2018.
so late august 2018 through mid-february of 2022
that's more like three and a half years not five years
it's amazing how voras could get that wrong considering he could have just
looked up the date of publication on his own website
where the video and the transcript were published or on youtube by the way

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in response to that change of editorial policy at church militant a day later on
august 28 2018 chris jackson published a blog post at the remnant entitled
now that it's safe and five years late michael voris okays criticism of francis
so vorus is definitely stretching the truth here for the sake of damage control
again it's totally fine if you need to change your position changing one's
position in the light of new evidence is a noble thing it's not something to be
embarrassed about but if you do change your position then
for heaven's sake admit it and don't pretend that you didn't but
maybe michael voris thinks his viewers are idiots
or simply have very poor memory all right let's go back to the audio of

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the special broadcast of february 18 2022 the main topic of course is whether
francis is really the pope or not vorus says that there are only four
options and they are the following first benedict is still the pope which means
francis is not number of catholics seem to hold that position benedict is not
the pope but neither is francis because the conclaved was rigged and invalid
number three the conclave was valid but pope francis at some point after
becoming like becoming elected pope became a heretic and he is no longer the
pope the sea is now empty and francis is pope
but he's just a bad one leave this up for a moment guys and back the prompter
up please he is one of only one of those four possibilities is the case when we

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look at the question is he the pope or is he not that's it and that is already
not correct the one position that actually corresponds to the facts here
was not mentioned by michael voris let's review
he says there are only these four possible options
francis isn't pope because benedict xvi says
francis isn't pope because the conclave was rigged and therefore invalid
francis isn't pope anymore because he lost the papacy on account of heresy and
francis is the pope but a really bad one those are the four positions mentioned
by vorus now next he proceeds to explain why the
first three of these four options are not correct and the fourth one is
yet the truth is that none of these four scenarios is actually the case the true

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position is that francis isn't the pope because he is by divine law incapable of
being pope regardless of who or how many people elected him
back in 2013 he was already a public and manifest heretic an obvious
non-catholic and here i want to leave out of consideration the question of
what's called sade privationism which is basically a subset of cedivacantism
which holds that francis was technically elected but
could not validly accept the election okay at the end of the day all said of a
contest are in agreement that the 2013 conclave did not produce a true pope
not because it was rigged but either because it was unlawful altogether
being simply a gathering of modernist pseudo-cardinals or as the said
privationists told it was a meeting of valid electors but the man they

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designated did not in fact become pope so ironically the one position michael
voris does not address in the special broadcast on whether
bergoglio is the pope is the state of a contest position
that's why i didn't even bother covering this on on the novel sort of watch
blog at the time because for the most part it really was not a challenge to
say devakantism now you might say well wait a minute vorace's third
scenario is that francis lost the papacy on account of heresy and that's the
state of akana's position but it's not i have yet to encounter a single state
of a contest who believes that francis was elected and started out as pope as a
true pope but then lost the pontificate on account of heresy
i mean the heresy was already front and center when he was novel sort of
archbishop of buenos aires in argentina for example in an interview book

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published in 2010 which he co-authored with his friend abraham skorka who is a
jewish rabbi by the way bergoglio says this quote
the church officially recognizes that the people of israel continue to be the
chosen people nowhere does it say you lost the game now it is our turn unquote
you can find that in the book on heaven and earth
english translation published in 2013 page 188 now that is heresy because it is
directly contrary to divine revelation i mean the new testament is filled with
references to the old covenant being over and the church being the new chosen
people the catholic church let me just mention one single passage

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and this is uh matthew 21 43 where our blessed lord himself says to the jews
quote therefore i say to you that the kingdom of god shall be taken from you
and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof unquote
and of course to claim that the old covenant is still valid still operative
for the jews also implies that jesus christ is not the messiah
or that he is the messiah but that he lied when he said i am the way and the
truth and the life no man cometh to the father but by me that's john 14 6.
anyway to return to michael voris for this third scenario about francis
losing the pontificate on account of heresy
he goes off on taylor marshall who had been arguing that francis spoke heresy
when he said that no one can exclude himself from the church that even

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heretics and apostates are part of the communion of saints
voris makes the point that although it's clearly wrong that teaching of francis
does not rise to the level of heresy okay fine let's grant that but then
even if that one doesn't there's five million other things
francis has said and taught that do rise to the level of heresy but of course
vorus only focuses on that particular one how convenient
hey if you want to see a whole laundry list of bregolian heresies errors
blasphemies and other scandals go ahead and check the show notes for a link
entitled the facts about pope francis and yes we're talking real heresies here
for example on june 26 2016 on the return flight from armenia francis held

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a press conference aboard airhead one and explicitly affirmed that he believes
that martin luther was right on the doctrine of justification
here's what he said quote i think that the intentions of martin
luther were not mistaken he was a reformer perhaps some methods were not correct
and i'm skipping ahead a little bit today lutherans and catholics
protestants all of us agree on the doctrine of justification on this point
which is very important he did not air unquote
and by he he was referring to martin luther now that is explicit pertinacious
heresy because obviously francis knows that martin luther's doctrine of
justification was condemned infallibly by the council of trent so it really

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doesn't get much more heretical than that
we're talking about a doctrine condemned by anathemas
and there you have francis saying that luther was right
and effectively trent was wrong now of course the typical objection you
will hear at this point is that oh well that was just francis speaking
informally at a press conference that's not a magisterial document okay
let's grant that that press conference wasn't part of his magisterium
which is questionable by the way because
he has said in the past that whenever he speaks it's magisterial but okay let's
grant that this was not an exercise of the magisterium so
what it's still heresy it's still francis telling us what he believes
just like martin luther told the world what he believes

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so if luther was a heretic for saying it then so is francis
and no there does not have to be a canonical warning given first before one
could say that francis is being pertinacious
first if we assume he is pope then no warning could be given him because for a
warning to be canonical and effective it has to come from a
superior and the pope of course has no superior on earth
second the purpose of a warning is to ensure that the person who uttered
heresy is aware that what he said is contrary to church dogma
but in france's case it's already clear that he is aware of that
for one thing because it's his job to be aware more than anyone else's on earth
actually and secondly because it's simply inconceivable that

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he wouldn't know that martin luther was condemned as a heretic by the church
and thirdly because he's speaking in the very context of overcoming the divide
between catholics and lutheran's unjustification
so there is no way you can say that francis isn't being pertinacious here
he's making clear that in the debate between martin luther and the council of
trent he agrees with luther now keep in mind what we read in the
book moral theology 1958 edition by the dominican fathers john a mchugh and
charles j callan in article number 829 b the authors write quote
for formal heresy it is not required that a person give his ascent out of malice
or that he continue an obstinate rejection for a long time
or that he refused to heed admonitions given him

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per tenacity here means true consent to recognized error
and this can proceed from weakness for example from anger or other passion it
can be given in an instant and does not presuppose an admonition disregarded
unquote yes got it linked in the show notes now there's no need to go through
everything michael voris says in his documentary since like i said it's not
really interacting with the state of akana's position anyway
and some of it is just so weird and dumb so obviously false
that it doesn't really require a refutation
for example one of the things he says is that if benedict the 16th were
secretly still the pope then any bishops appointed by francis would not be

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validly ordained that's just embarrassingly stupid and it's amusing too because
he's saying this while he's blasting other people for their theological errors
it's hilarious anyway there are a few more sound bites
though from that special church militant broadcast that i think are important
enough to comment on and so we'll look at those and then we'll finally go to a
break and move on in the course of his presentation about
how bergoglio has supposedly not been proven to be a heretic michael voris
shows himself very concerned about scandal
and he claims that to say that francis is a heretic
is a huge scandal to souls that leads people out of the church here's what he
says the scandal caused two souls whatever the scandal is a scandal is

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something that so weakens somebody's faith that they believe in their mind
they now have permission to go sin god hates sin and this is why scandal
must be opposed because it leads to sin okay so by that definition of scandal mr
boris which of the following two scenarios do you think will incite
people to sin the idea that the mother earth
worshiping blasphemer who agrees with martin luther permits holy communion for
adulterers encourages sodomites in their lifestyles and tells jews they have
their own valid covenant with god is indeed the vicar of christ on earth
who keeps the gates of hell from prevailing and whom we should follow
or is not in fact the vicar of christ and just a charlatan whom we should not
follow which of these two scenarios do you think michael voris
is more likely to ruin people's faith in catholicism and so put their souls in

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danger to ask the question is to answer it people can lose their faith
weak souls can be so damaged by such an announcement that it becomes a great sin
it is a great sin to lead souls out of the church or to dissuade them from
coming in what man calls himself a good catholic
would want to chance standing before our blessed lord the judge with that on his
soul now of course here vorus is just begging the question obviously if
bergoglio is not the pope then you can't lead anyone out of the
catholic church by demonstrating that he's not the pope
in fact if bergoglio is not the pope then it is a great act of charity to say so
and then michael voris is actually the one endangering souls by arguing

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otherwise and keeping people attached to the apostate from buenos aires it is
precisely by pointing out that francis is a false pope that we help people not
to quit catholicism francis is the one literally
scandalizing souls left and right precisely because all the evil he does
is understood to be coming from the pope that's what scandalizes people
so making the case that francis is not the pope
actually helps to undo all the scandal all right one final thing from michael
voris church militant is not talking about
we shouldn't be resisting the pope when he's in error we're not talking about
not correcting whatever a pope may say that's stupid or incorrect or confusing
or misleading or whatever we've been doing that all the time oh that is good

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to know mr voris by the way what about this we are assured by the son of god
that the church and the church in the person of the pope cannot preach error
yeah that was from a vortex episode called attacking the pope
broadcast on march 21st 2013 so long ago alright it's time to take a quick break
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that the vatican ii church is not in fact the catholic church of the ages
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[Music] this is trap cast number 33 the traditional roman catholic podcast
where we are not more catholic than the pope just more
catholic than the antipope [Music] you know there's been a barrage of
online material against cedivacantism recently especially coming from the
website one peter 5. it seems like at least once a week or so
there's some new article coming out against you know ultra montanism hyper uber
papalism poetry that dreaded spirit of vatican one or on
the limits of papal infallibility whatever it's like an obsession it seems
and i think i know why probably because more and more people
are becoming said of a contest people are starting to figure it out and

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that is very bad news for the semi-trads the recognize and resist people
ironically though the editor of one peter 5 timothy flanders
just said this in a live streamed video broadcast of august 8th 2022 this is
important for us today because like saint maximilian we we may see the
masons completely surrounding saint peter's basilica
we may see them with their satanic parade
boasting that the pope will be the slave of satan
we may see it in so many words and so many scandals out there
but the more violently the storms engulf
the rock of peter the more we believe in the rock of peter uh no you don't
you don't i don't even know how you could say that with a straight face

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it is precisely because they don't believe in the papacy that they've been
rethinking it and their own dr peter kwaznievsky has been at the forefront of it
his recent two-volume anthology the road from hyper papalism to catholicism
is subtitled rethinking the papacy in a time of ecclesial disintegration
now t.s flanders may have convinced himself that he and his fellow
semi-trads are standing firm in their belief in the papacy while the masonic
armies are surrounding saint peter's but the truth is
that they actually agree that it is evident that the masons are now inside
saint peter's and that the so-called pope is now
himself spouting masonic doctrine that's what all their resistance is about

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they're not standing firm against the masons they think the masons have been
successful in getting the vicar of christ himself now
to promote the ideas of the lodge so they have actually abandoned faith in
the papacy by their stubborn refusal to let go of the idea that francis is in
fact the pope meanwhile the remnant long a recognize
and resist publication that has always opposed sedivacantism
is easing up a little on july 29th of this year chris jackson
posted a long article entitled how about we keep the papacy and dump bergoglio
now that of course is precisely what we've been saying here on this podcast
and on nova's auto watch for years and yet it always fell on deaf ears and
especially on the deaf ears of chris jackson

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so what changed i'd be curious to know and also considering that john salza and
robert cisco have written articles against state of
akkantism in the remnant for years i i guess that's an admission now that
their argumentation really wasn't that convincing after all in any case
jackson does not quite make the said of akana's case but he's at least waded far
into said of a contest territory which was always anathema to the remnant
in the past so we're glad to see this initial
opening to sanity on the part of the remnant now and hopefully they'll
eventually all come to understand that you cannot do both retain the true
catholic faith and accept francis as pope
just as a matter of logic the one or the other has to go

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in any case it seems that the remnant is producing all kinds of contradictory
stuff now and i don't know how their readership is
taking it but it's just a complete mess at this point
let me illustrate what i mean for example on february 10th 2022 the
remnant published an article called the tragedy of new church
by their tokyo correspondent jason morgan in that piece
morgan denounces that vatican ii church as follows
and i'm i'm summarizing and paraphrasing here using my own words i'm not quoting
but this is what he says he says that new church the vatican ii church he
calls it new church is inherently contradictory
a humanistic man-made institution has a modernist identity thwarts or
destroys whatever good people would do is not the catholic church

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was born in schism rupture chaos duplicity misdirection and bifurcation
is a sham is a mockery a mock-up of catholicism has diversity as its god
just like satan compels the vatican to persecute christians
has set up a false mass in place of the true mass
is an exiled camp of lost souls maybe the ape of the catholic church
is a stand-in for the real church and has a pope that may be the antichrist
okay so all of that is asserted by jason morgan in his tragedy of new church
article of february 22nd published in the remnant
and yet two months prior the editor of the remnant michael j matt wrote this

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quote even if we wanted to leave the church which we do not that would not
help the situation since there would then be even less opposition from within
we must stay on in order to expose and oppose these infiltrators unquote
and in april of 2021 matt had written quote ours is not a
call to leave the church and it never can be and it never will be our fathers
in the faith watched christ die on the cross and then went on to build his
church not abandon it and also we cannot abandon the catholic
church because of one bad pope or 1 000 bad bishops unquote
so which is it remnant is the vatican ii church the

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indefectable roman catholic church that alone has the true worship
and outside of which there is no salvation or is it a diabolical apostate new
church that offers to god a counterfeit mass ruins people's faith
and tries to drag souls to hell at every opportunity
see this is about so much more than just the status of one single individual
jorge bergoglio this is about the catholic church the mystical body of christ
and the remnant wants to have it both ways on the one hand
they're preaching that the vatican ii church
is the mystical body of christ hanging on the cross that we must not abandon
and yet on the other hand they're preaching that the vatican ii church is
basically the mystical body of the antichrist which we must flee and detest and

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denounce jason morgan writes those who want to
remain catholic will have to find their way out of new church at some point
michael matt on the contrary writes why francis will never run me out of my
church well hello this is the blind leading the blind
by the way you can find all of these things linked in the show notes
now fast forward to june 28th 2022 the remnant publishes an article by
robert morrison entitled keeping the faith at the intersection of
indefectability and grim reality in that write-up the author candidly
states that the vatican ii church which he apparently believes to be the
catholic church appears to have defected and then he
tries to reconcile that somehow with the
catholic doctrine of the indefectability of the church morrison writes quote

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teachings on indefectability lead some catholics to believe that the
church has defected based on the current crisis
after all the vast majority of catholics would identify the visible church to be
the one led by francis and his apostate colleagues animated by the anti-catholic
spirit of vatican ii and following a sentinel path to hell unquote
and then a little later the same author says quote satan wants us to conclude
that the church has defected which is perhaps why our lord promised us that it
never would unquote and then in the last paragraph
of that article he writes quote something would be amiss if satan and
his minions were not trying to convince us to abandon the fight by thinking

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that the church had been defeated unquote so maybe robert morrison and michael
matt could have a chat with jason morgan about not putting out contradictory
narratives in the same you know traditional catholic newspaper right
now look obviously we live in very difficult and confusing times and you
can't expect any publication to get everything right all the time that's
understood and of course different contributors may have somewhat different
views on things but for heaven's sake whether or not the vatican ii church is
the indefectable roman catholic church outside of which there is no salvation
or an apostate counterfeit from hell that ruins people's faith hope and charity
surely a consistent position on that fundamental question isn't too much to ask

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on july 28th of this year the remnant published another article by morrison
entitled can we accurately diagnose the bergoglio disorder afflicting the
church the diagnosis the author ends up giving is the following quote
bergoglio is the anti-catholic man permitted by god to wield power over the
mystical body of christ as the reputed pope
in service of satan and the globalists to advance the crisis in the church
through a calculated process of destruction which causes many souls to be lost
but which will ultimately purify the church unquote okay now
let's contrast these words with pope pius xii description of the
pope okay the pope as such meaning any pope quote

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the pope has the divine promises even in his human weaknesses he is invincible
and unshakeable he is the messenger of truth and justice the principle of the
unity of the church his voice denounces errors idolatries superstitions
he condemns iniquities he makes charity and virtue loved unquote
again that's pope pius xii from the address ancora una volta of
february 20th 1949. so let's see we have a description of
what bergoglio is and does and we have a
description of what the pope is and does now who in his right mind can't see
that these two descriptions are inherently incompatible meaning

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they're mutually exclusive obviously if francis is an anti-catholic
servant of satan and the globalists advancing a calculated process of
destruction of the mystical body of christ
to the eternal damnation of many souls then he is not at the same time the
invincible messenger of truth and justice who enjoys the divine assistance
even amidst human weakness and who condemns error idolatry and iniquity and
makes charity and virtue loved ladies and gentlemen as the apostasy and
the vatican organization progresses the recognize and resist position which
had been the mainstream traditionalist position for so long
is making less and less sense its stubborn defenders are trying at all
costs to maintain a position that insists on the one hand

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that bergoglio is the pope and unless you accept that you're no longer a
catholic but on the other hand that you cannot
actually adhere to his magisterium without running the grave risk of
basically being led to hell and that's just absurd on its face because
the papacy is not just a label to say someone is the pope means he is
the one governing the christian flock and he must be followed because he
governs with the authority of christ it is christ himself who guarantees
that by following the pope we will not be misled
so reason itself leads to the conclusion
that either francis is the pope and then what he teaches is entirely safe for a
catholic to accept or his teaching is dangerous infernal garbage

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and then he is not in fact the pope but what you cannot have
is the in-between position that he is the pope and it's still garbage
as i've said in a prior podcast you know you really can't lose being a
state of a contest because just assume for a minute that
francis were in fact the pope well then what does any of this matter
if francis is the pope then atheists can go to heaven then protestant sects are
used by the holy ghost as means of salvation
then human fraternity is the anchor of salvation
and then god wills there to be a diversity of religions
so why not also say evocatism if basically everyone goes to heaven anyway
because being a christian is only one way of coming to god and not about
adhering to a doctrine anyway if it's all about soup kitchens and

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caressing the elderly and if the jews have their own valid
covenant with god well then who cares if you go to the latin mass and believe in
the old catechism if everything francis teaches is true
then you might as well be a state of a contest because then you won't go to
hell for that either bam if on the other hand francis is not the pope
well then you really want to be a state of a contest so really it's a win-win
what is definitely not possible in all of this
is that francis is the pope and you're required to accept him to be saved but
that you must at the same time refuse him submission and flee his teachings
his laws and his canonizations likewise as a matter of eternal salvation right
that position is completely nuts in fact let me go one step further and

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say something funny but true even if francis is the pope he's not the pope ha
what do i mean by that i mean that if francis were to meet all
the criteria for being a true pope and he could still do what he's doing like
you know teach heresy in his official magisterium and canonize public sinners
as saints and so on then the catholic teaching about the
papacy would obviously be false and that would mean that catholicism is false
which would likewise mean that our lord did not in fact institute the papacy
but if our lord did not institute the papacy
then there is no such thing as a real pope then it's just a human invention

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so even then francis would not be the pope but don't worry our lord is truly god
and he truly founded the roman catholic church and he truly instituted the
papacy jorge bergoglio just happens not to be a valid holder of that office
hey it's a necessary conclusion and you know what else it's also a
marvelously liberating conclusion to know that that stinkin apostate does not
in fact hold the chair of saint peter don't let francis play with your soul
unless you reject his claim to being a valid pope he will lead you either into
the sin of heresy by making you agree with his manifestly false doctrines
or into the sin of schism by making you separate from the man you

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believe to be the pope there is only one way out of this dilemma
recognize that jorge mario bergoglio is a lot of things
but pope of the catholic church isn't one of them
and with that we've come to the end of a very busy tradcast 33.
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