Summa Theologiæ II-II q. 147 a. 8 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/SS/SS147.html#SSQ147A8THEP1) co.:
Quote from: St. Thomas AquinasSuch are the flesh of animals that take their rest on the earth, and of those that breathe the air and their products, such as milk from those that walk on the earth, and eggs from birds. For, since such like animals are more like man in body, they afford greater pleasure as food, and greater nourishment to the human body, so that from their consumption there results a greater surplus available for seminal matter, which when abundant becomes a great incentive to lust. Hence the Church has bidden those who fast to abstain especially from these foods.
The 🇮🇹ian nutritionist Pellegrino Artusi, whose cookbook (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=4726) many 🇮🇹ian kitchens have, ranked (p. 25)—
Quote from: Artusiwithout pretensions of scientific exactitude—the meat of different animals in diminishing order of nutritional value.
- feathered game
- beef
- veal
- poultry
- milk-fed veal
- mutton
- furred game
- lamb
- pork
- fish
I thought pork was one of the most human-flesh–like meats, so it would seem pork should be ranked higher.
Quote from: Geremia on May 25, 2025, 06:31:42 PMThe 🇮🇹ian nutritionist Pellegrino Artusi, whose cookbook (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=4726) many 🇮🇹ian kitchens have, ranked (p. 25)—
Quote from: Artusiwithout pretensions of scientific exactitude—the meat of different animals in diminishing order of nutritional value.
- feathered game
- beef
- veal
- poultry
- milk-fed veal
- mutton
- furred game
- lamb
- pork
- fish
I thought pork was one of the most human-flesh–like meats, so it would seem pork should be ranked higher.
Would whale milk be permitted during medieval lent??? Also are geese feathered game or are they poultry?
Also - St. Thomas seems to have given a precedent for baltimorensis iii permitting milk and eggs
Reply to Objection 3: Eggs and milk foods are forbidden to those who fast, for as much as they originate from animals that provide us with flesh: wherefore the prohibition of flesh meat takes precedence of the prohibition of eggs and milk foods. Again the Lenten fast is the most solemn of all, both because it is kept in imitation of Christ, and because it disposes us to celebrate devoutly the mysteries of our redemption. For this reason the eating of flesh meat is forbidden in every fast, while the Lenten fast lays a general prohibition even on eggs and milk foods.
!As to the use of the latter things in other fasts the custom varies among different people, and each person is bound to conform to that custom which is in vogue with those among whom he is dwelling. Hence Jerome says [*Augustine, De Lib. Arb. iii, 18; cf. De Nat. et Grat. lxvii]: "Let each province keep to its own practice, and look upon the commands of the elders as though they were the laws of the apostles."!
Quote from: Predestination2 on May 25, 2025, 07:13:51 PMWould whale milk be permitted during medieval lent?
No.
Summa Theologiæ II-II q. 147 a. 8 ad 3 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/SS/SS147.html#SSQ147A8THEP1:~:text=leges%20apostolicas%20arbitretur.-,Reply%20to%20Objection%203,-:%20Eggs%20and):
Quote from: St. Thomas Aquinasthe Lenten fast lays a general prohibition even on eggs and milk foods.
Quote from: Predestination2 on May 25, 2025, 07:13:51 PMAlso are geese feathered game or are they poultry?
The 🇮🇹ian (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=3726) has "1°
Cacciagione, ossia selvaggina di penna e piccione" ("Game, i.e., game birds and pigeon").
Pollame (poultry) is domestic fowl.
Quote from: Geremia on May 25, 2025, 07:32:08 PMQuote from: Predestination2 on May 25, 2025, 07:13:51 PMWould whale milk be permitted during medieval lent?
No. Summa Theologiæ II-II q. 147 a. 8 ad 3 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/SS/SS147.html#SSQ147A8THEP1:~:text=leges%20apostolicas%20arbitretur.-,Reply%20to%20Objection%203,-:%20Eggs%20and):
Quote from: St. Thomas Aquinasthe Lenten fast lays a general prohibition even on eggs and milk foods.
Quote from: Predestination2 on May 25, 2025, 07:13:51 PMAlso are geese feathered game or are they poultry?
The 🇮🇹ian (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=3726) has "1° Cacciagione, ossia selvaggina di penna e piccione" ("Game, i.e., game birds and pigeon"). Pollame (poultry) is domestic fowl.
But whale meat was allowed because it was considered seafood.
Also it would seem puffins are very much game birds and thus the most nutritious foods on earth yet they are permitted